[ SECRET POST #4383 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4383 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Queer Eye, "Dega Don't"]


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[Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald]


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[Dynamo aka Steven Frayne (magician)]


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[Trillion: God of Destruction]


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08. [SPOILERS for Tidelands season 1 finale]




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09. [WARNING for discussion of rape]
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[Goblin Slayer anime, linked for rape]
























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Comments

[fscom]

03. https://i.imgur.com/2p0WkBq.png
[Queer Eye, "Dega Don't"]

[(Anonymous)]

TBF, I believe the cast really went off on the producers for doing the pullover.

[shortcrust]

Yeah, I've heard tell that Karamo (deservedly, obviously) expressed how vastly inappropriate it was. I believe Bobby was meant to be driving, but they went ahead with the 'gag' anyway, having told Bobby that it was joke so that at least one person in the car knew.

[(Anonymous)]

Completely justified. That was one hell of a cruel prank to play on Karamo.

[(Anonymous)]

People don't learn unless they are exposed to different things.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you genuinely think that if this guy were open to that, there's no other way he would've possibly encountered a gay person in real life without a reality show intervention? He lives in the South, not on the moon. The whole "oh but they've never encountered X" argument simply does not fly in this day and age unless you're literally a hermit.

[(Anonymous)]

There is a difference between knowing X exists and actually becoming friends with X.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you the anon I was talking to? If so, would you care to revise your statement from "People don't learn unless they are exposed to different things" to "People don't learn unless they become friends with different people"?

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt but I guess I have more appreciation for everyone who manages not to support hatred and bigotry against people they don't know personally and are on friendly terms with. Doesn't seem like that ought to be so difficult, but...

[(Anonymous)]

It is when you are surrounded by and raised in bigotry.

[(Anonymous)]

Seeing that people exist does not break down barriers of prejudice. Talking to them, having heart to hearts with them, that does.

It is a cheesy as fuck format but this episode was exactly what the reboot was about- breaking down those last barriers.

Queer Eye literally bursts into your house and makes you question your prejudices. And precisely because it's a cheesy TV show it's not threatening. It's fun! It's tongue in cheek! It's enough to sow the seeds of real change in guys like the one in that episode.

[morieris]

You'd be surprised at how insulated people can make themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

No I wouldn't, because that was my point. IMO, when people insulate themselves from diversity or knowing the people they're supporting hate against, they don't get to use the "haven't been exposed to" excuse for why they're close-minded bigots.

[morieris]

Ah, I misunderstood.

You're right tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, when I moved to my town with my partner, we were the only queer people in town and the only ones anyone knew at all. Now there's five lesbians, one trans guy and one gay guy, but somebody had to be first. And the three nearest towns have zero out queer people. Yes, it's a small and mostly white town, but it's certainly not impossible.

[(Anonymous)]

You think he's somehow managed to avoid all exposure to brown people, immigrants and women and all the other minority groups that Trump's spewed hate about? How?

[morieris]

I haven't seen any of these episodes...did that dude "change" or just smile for the cameras.

[shortcrust]

To my recollection there was a 'I hadn't really analysed this well enough, I need to think more clearly about what I believe and not assume things about others'. It was pretty weak (which in a way, that's more appropraite, he didn't claim to ''change'' completely) but it had to be, because Karamo had to get out there and shake his hand say that 'well we shouldn't assume things about you either, TrumpSupporter McMan'.

[morieris]

Oh, I see I missed absolutely nothing of any real consequence.

[shortcrust]

Yeah it was about as non-committal as it could get.

[(Anonymous)]

I just read an article that said the guy regularly texts Karamo and is now an activist.

[(Anonymous)]

Link? Because the follow ups I read mentioned the texting, but "activist" is definitely overstating things.

It had an affect on Cory, too. It didn’t quite get him to throw his Make America Great Again Hat in the bin (he’s still a Trump supporter), but it allowed him to get his perspective across to a liberal audience, and encouraged him to open up the dialogue between police and public.


https://www.radiotimes.com/news/on-demand/2018-06-15/queer-eye-netflix-what-happened-next-season-1-neal-reddy-cory-waldrop/

He might mean well in terms of saying he wants to bridge the gap between police and the black community, but still identifying as a Trump supporter rather contradicts this commitment, in my view. And the idea that he think he needs to "get his perspective across to a liberal audience" is nauseating. His perspective isn't complicated or an unknown. "Liberal" audiences understand it all too well.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, should have included it: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/06/queer-eye-season-2-where-are-they-now-fab-five-netflix

Cory, the Trump-supporting cop from Winder, Georgia, featured in Season 1, is “one of the most dynamic changes I have ever seen, next to Neal,” Brown continued. “Cory texts me photos of him doing the hair routine that Jonathan taught him. He’s now an activist. His job and his position as a police officer is changing. He’s just extremely evolved now. Every time he does something that he used to not do, like comfort someone who had a negative point of view or ignorant point of view, he texts me like a proud kid, saying, ‘Look, I just did it!’ It’s pretty phenomenal to see that type of change because that’s so impactful for our country. To me, this is what our show is all about.”

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I listened to a podcast about a white supremacist, who was a spokesman for his parents' white supremacist organization on a college campus. The campus rabbi invited the kid to an entire year of sabbath dinners. In the end, the kid did reject his parents' beliefs, but it didn't happen overnight.

I used to do LGBTQ education work (now I just man the desk.) And I was raised with the Protestant conversion narrative that you just muddle along in your Dark Night of the Soul until you get hit by the Holy Spirit on the Road to Damascus and you become C.S. Lewis (arguably more important than Jesus or Paul). But it never worked that way. The kids who had the visible lightbulbs turn on above their heads after 45 minutes of talk were usually already LGBTQ and just needed someone to talk to. The straight people struggling with internalized homophobia, we were just one step in a long process. But that's a necessary step.

[(Anonymous)]

So I don't watch the new show or anything, but like was this guy actually a homophobe/racist/whatever else and said bad stuff on camera? Or are people just assuming he is/was because oh no Trump supporter?