[ SECRET POST #4414 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4414 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

galaxy brain is right

[(Anonymous)]

No?? Not everyone was traumatized in Animorphs. Also, I expect your father was just some run of the mill soldier, not a child dragged into a guerilla was against their friends and family.

[(Anonymous)]

He participated. That's bad enough.

(I'm posting this and leaving, so any replies here are not by me.)

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that war is bad does not mean that every single participant in a war is doing something wrong no matter their reason. It doesn't even mean that all wars are unnecessary, let alone that all soldiers are bad.

[philstar22]

This. I'm not a full-on pacifist, but I think that actually moral wars are few and far between, and even for wars that in a overview are fine, the acts of the good side are often pretty terrible and need to be called out. But that doesn't mean I think every individual soldier is a terrible person or guilty of atrocities. I wish our military was smaller and there were far fewer soldiers. But people who are actually soldiers are serving our country and are not the problem.

[(Anonymous)]

"But people who are actually soldiers are serving our country and are not the problem"

That is a matter of opinion, and I disagree. How is helping a county to oppress others (lots of wars, maybe most of them) "service" and meritorious?

[(Anonymous)]

If you're fighting in a war that you know is bunk, you're bad. Fighting for your corporate overlords to get more oil and destabilize countries that have resources they want so they can get it more easily is bad.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, this right here is an example of a conspiracy theory on the left side of the political spectrum. Really? I was completely against Iraq and mostly against Afghanistan (complicated because Taliban was horrifying, but there probably were other solutions to try). But it wasn't about oil and corporations. They genuinely believed the stuff they said. They were wrong, particularly about the WMDs. But they believed it.

[(Anonymous)]

If you're fighting in a war that you know is bunk, you're bad

There's some truth to this, honestly, but it's so totally dependent on the specific circumstances - both the circumstances of the war and the circumstances of the person.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

LMAO, seriously.

[(Anonymous)]

I have to agree tbh

[(Anonymous)]

You don't even know what fucking war he was a part of. You gonna shit on the folks who fought the Nazis?

[(Anonymous)]

Because no atrocities were committed by the Allied side in WW11? SUUUUURE.

[(Anonymous)]

WW2 or WWII -- not WW11.

[(Anonymous)]

It's easy to say anyone who participates in war is bad if you're not the one being directly attacked.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh ... I oppose wars in real life. I think war is horrible. Atrocities are committed during wars and that's a bad thing that traumatizes lots of people.

I'd find it pretty weird if a military man found that opinion offensive.

I'm willing to bet most of them don't want to go to war, either, if it can be avoided. They've got the most to lose. And the ones that really really want to kill some people probably do have issues.

So I don't really get the connection or why it would offend.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm curious how many of the "all soldiers are evil" folks here are aware that many, many soldiers come from poor or lower class backgrounds and the military is pretty much the only feasible road to a better life that some of them have available to them. It's quite easy to look down from your white middle class woke-ness without considering how few opportunities the other half has to get a leg up, or how easy it is for the powers that be to convince them that what they're doing is just and good when it's the only real chance they've got.

[(Anonymous)]

This is why pacifism has to involve several areas of social and economic improvement to be anything other than bullshit. I feel bad for how badly soldiers are treated by our government, even if I think many of them enlist because they really want to, some don't, and it seems it's a lot easier to cling to their ideals than admit they've gotten fucked over.

[(Anonymous)]

Dude I'm poor as fuck, quit assuming I'm middle class just because it means you can look down on me. I have literally considered prostitution and shit like that to make ends meet, there's a reason I refuse military and it's because you have to be willing to put aside your morals to do it.

[(Anonymous)]

And some people might not have any choice but to "set aside their morals" (assuming it even conflicts with their morals to begin with - you're making some seriously shitty assumptions about other people in situations akin to yours, fyi) on account of having people besides themselves to take care of.

[(Anonymous)]

In the US and other poverty-stricken shitholes, yes. Not necessarily the case for most other countries.

[(Anonymous)]

Classism at its finest.

People are also forgetting that mandatory military service is still a thing in some places. As usual, only the US exists to the internet.

[(Anonymous)]

Not any of the anons in this thread so far, but of the three men in my family who were in the military, my dad was drafted into Vietnam and died of drug addiction, schizophrenia kicked off by drugs, and, ultimately, suicide. My mom’s brother joined up to follow in his dad’s footsteps because it had been his father’s ticket out of poverty, and drank himself to death at 47. His dad joined to escape poverty and became a Rear Admiral—and a monster who raped his wife and kids and also drank himself to death, and was ultimately responsible for the deaths of his wife and two of his three kids. My dad’s surviving brother insists he was an entirely different person before the war and it broke him. My mom’s surviving brother said his dad loved the military because he loved having power to hurt and kill people.

Just because military service is mandatory at different times or in different places, or has been some people’s ticket out of poverty, doesn’t mean war is good or justifiable on those grounds.

[(Anonymous)]

And then there's the one who are conscripted and never chose to be there.

Also, infantry soldiers tend to be very young.