[ SECRET POST #4415 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4415 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't have said the Yuuzahn Vong war was very hopeful, personally

[(Anonymous)]

Yeeeeah, that part of the books is actually where I mostly gave up on reading new stuff from the EU.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never read the old books, but I understand the feeling.

I am however reading the new books and reading them honestly makes me like The Force Awakens less and less with time (I still like it and the new characters)? Especially the whole (already tired as fuck) Starkiller Base stuff and them just blasting the New Republic to pieces. These books are making me CARE about this... Like, I have already lots of headcanons why my new book-only favs TOTALLY weren't there at the time. (All my OTPs were on vacation together on a beach planet far far away ok? For weeks! They don't have radio there, either so they know nothing about what's happening!!!!!)

[philstar22]

The thing is, the EU never was canon. I love the EU. Some parts of it are among my favorite Star Wars things. But it was never canon.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the idea of "canon" is very tricky and I don't know what authority you're basing that on. But I know for a fact that the idea that the Star Wars EU was canon was widespread, and practically universal, pretty much right up until Disney took over. I don't know if I ever saw an explicit source for that idea, but it was completely the conventional wisdom, if someone had said that EU stuff wasn't canon everyone would have thought they were crazy.

[philstar22]

I'm basing it on the fact that Lucas was the boss and got to say what was and wasn't canon. He sold the rights and now Disney gets to say. But Lucas was always clear that the EU was not canon.

[(Anonymous)]

But Lucas was always clear that the EU was not canon.

I don't think that's exactly the whole story. Lucas was always the person with the right to decide what was or was not canon. And it was always totally clear that any story that Lucas came up with superceded any other part of the SW universe.

But, AFAIK, he never explicitly said that the EU stuff wasn't canon until 2014. He just ignored it, which allowed for this sort of policy of benign neglect where people generally assumed that things were canon unless contradicted by something in a George Lucas story. And that's very much the attitude that fans ran with pretty much until 2014.

[philstar22]

He did talk about the EU before 2014, though.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865602712/Lucasfilm-sets-record-straight-on-Star-Wars-Expanded-Universe.html

https://comicbook.com/starwars/2017/02/20/star-wars-lucasfilm-legends-expanded-universe-george-lucas/

Both of these articles mention statements he made prior to 2014 saying that while he loved that the EU expanded on his work, they were not canon.

[(Anonymous)]

Both of these articles mention statements he made prior to 2014 saying that while he loved that the EU expanded on his work, they were not canon.

I don't see that? I might be missing something, please mention it if I am.

The first one (Deseret News) mentions that Lucas had always felt free to overwrite things from the EU. Which was true, and everyone knew it, in part because (as the article points out) the prequel trilogies did overwrite stuff from the EU. But that doesn't mean that the rest of the things in the EU were un-canon'd as well. And that's definitely not the attitude that fandom took at the time.

The second one (comicbook.com) mentions Dave Filoni saying, in 2017 after the EU had been de-canonized, that this is how he and Lucas had always felt about it. But Filoni saying in 2017 that he and Lucas hadn't considered it canon before 2014 is not the same as Lucas or anyone else saying before 2014 that it wasn't canon.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't figure out what you mean by "not canon" if you don't mean "the script writers feel free to ignore or contradict it" ...

[(Anonymous)]

I was never into the EU, but I can see how this is disappointing. I can't think of another franchise where something like that happened, where the closest thing to canon for years gets disregarded by new installments of the original media firmat directly continuing the originals. The closest thing might be when comics universes re-boot themselves. Doctor Who had novels and audios between the old and new series, but I don't think the new show wipes all that away and they are just additional adventures to be slotted in wherever (they involve lots of different Doctors, so they never did just continue the end of the original show). I don't think Star Trek novels were ever cohesive enough to form their own branch of canon before the movies started.

[(Anonymous)]

With comic books (or at least with the Big 2 comic book universes), there's usually extremely involved and complex in-universe stories told to justify retcons and explain away apparent discrepancies in cannon.

With Doctor Who, the books (and audio dramas) are canon - they explicitly reference stuff from them in the new TV series. But there's a ton of contradictory material in Doctor Who canon, and there's a lot of things in the books that people just chose to ignore (*cough* Lungbarrow *cough*). Also, there's stories from the books and audios that they basically retell (most obviously Human Nature). So the idea of a cohesive Doctor Who canon is just not something that's really possible anyway.

With Star Trek, the books are explicitly not canon (except possibly the early James Blish novels, I can't remember off the top of my head). But there's also the Star Trek animated series, which had a bunch of preposterous things like the Enterprise meeting Satan and stuff like that, so they're not canon. Except for one specific episode about Spock's childhood that they made canon because everyone thought it was really good.

so, basically: canon is sort of a silly and complicated idea that people mostly make up as they go along

[philstar22]

The Star Wars EU was also explicitly not canon. Lucas always made that clear. Fans just chose to ignore that.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865602712/Lucasfilm-sets-record-straight-on-Star-Wars-Expanded-Universe.html

https://comicbook.com/starwars/2017/02/20/star-wars-lucasfilm-legends-expanded-universe-george-lucas/

[(Anonymous)]

With Doctor Who, there's also the in-universe explanation that multiple, contradictory events can be explained (hand-waved) by the Time War.

[(Anonymous)]

I loved the EU. I read most of the books as a teenager and was devastated, even as an adult, when Disney bought the rights and decided not to turn the EU into movies.

I went to see TFA on opening weekend because I wanted to give it a shot. I disliked pretty much everything about it - the acting, the story, the characters. I've yet to watch TLJ. I just can't bring myself to care.

Give me Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin Solo or don't even bother. Ugh.