[ SECRET POST #615 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #615 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Early cause I have class!

STILL RANK 35 → [ pop ind sec env com ]

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 94 secrets from Secret Submission Post #088.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 1 2 - repeat ], [ 1 2 3 - troll ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

104 - It's fantasy. I don't think anybody wants to be raped, or anyone really wants to glorify real rape. But y'know, there's a line between reality and fiction/fantasy. People have sexual fantasies about the weirdest things, rape, bestiality, humiliation, loli/shota, etc. That doesn't necessarily mean they actually condone to all that IRL. Rape/non-con/call it whatever you want is a kink like every other kink out there. So yeah. It's not my cup of tea but if anyone likes it, then they have every right to enjoy it as a fantasy.

tl;dr: FANTASY =/= REALITY kthx.

109 - What canon pairing? *snerk* In any case, I just wish that fans of the pairing, at least the loud, militant segment of the fandom, would leave fans of the "rival" pairings alone... and that they'd stop bashing Orihime and Renji.

141 - Then.Don't.Listen.To.The.Dub. I don't get you people. No-one's going to force you to watch the dub. You'll have the subs. Just pretend the dub doesn't exist or something.

142 - You'll have to wait till Kubo's finished with him. :D I mean, if this image is not a proof of Kubo's raging man-crush on Ichigo, I don't know what it is. (Just look at that "come hither" look...)

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[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

Fantasy can glorify reality.

Not saying that it does in this case, just that you aren't actually responding to the secret.

I don't understand why people think it's unreasonable to respond to a rape fantasy with repulsion. Everyone has a right to enjoy and write what they please, but that doesn't mean they have a right to have everyone else react positively.

Re: 104

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

I'm not saying people can't react with repulsion - of course they can, they have the right, etc. I just don't get this "if it's bad IRL then you should treat it accordingly in fiction" attitude.

So what if someone likes to read/write non-con. That doesn't necessarily mean she isn't sensitive to the issue IRL.

Re: 104

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

"FANTASY != REALITY GET OVER IT" is not sensitive to the issue, I'm afraid.

Re: 104

[meagenimage.livejournal.com]

So what would you suggest as a sensitive response to "OMG I RED UR FIC DESPITE ALL THE WARNINGS ON IT AND I THINK UR DISGUSTING AND U SHULD SEE HOW U LIKE IT IN RL!!!!!"?

Re: 104

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

Well, here's how I would translate "FICTION != REALITY QQ MOAR":

"You're going way too far to suggest that anyone who reads/writes/enjoys rapefic should experience rape themselves, but I understand where you're coming from and that you're speaking out of anger. I'm sorry about what happened to you, but people who read/write/enjoy rapefic generally don't mean to condone or glorify rape itself. I think it has more to do with control that with violence. It's totally understandable that you find it gross/repulsive, but I think it's important that you seperate out your feelings at the fic and your feelings towards the people who write it, because the vast majority of them are probably a lot more sympathetic than you'd think at first glance. Anyway, the fic probably isn't going away so it's something that you'll have to work through."

Re: 104

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

But then, I don't like non-con either.

The bottom line for me (aside from leaving people alone to enjoy what they enjoy) is to understand that just because someone enjoys something as a fantasy they don't necessarily condone to that IRL, or that they're too shallow to understand what it is that they like. You can't expect kinks and fantasies to be logical or sensitive to RL issues.

Re: 104

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

But you can expect the people who write and enjoy those kinks to be sensitive to RL issues.

Re: 104

[3libras.livejournal.com]

I say this as a survivor of sexual assault - if you don't like rape fanworks, then don't read/write/draw/look at it. No one is making you. Every fanwork I've encountered that involved rape had warnings attached to it, so you know what you're getting into before you read it.

No one is entitled to others' approval, this is true (though note that this can also be applied to the people disapproving - no one has to like that they disapprove). It's worth pointing out, however, that a lot of people - myself included, read/write rape fanfiction as a means of therapy, and have rape fantasies because it's a different way of dealing with what happened to them - by acting out a rape fantasy (or simply by writing it), it allows the survivor to relive the incident in a way that they have control over instead of simply feeling powerless over the event that happened to them. I've personally found it to be a fantastic way to help me regain control over my own life. I don't think it's fair to other survivors who read/write/whatever rape fanworks to be judged and labeled as disgusting for doing so. I personally find it rather insulting when someone says that I am disgusting and "glorifying rape" for finding a way to cope with it that helps me, and several others as well. Unless you ask, you have no way of knowing what a person's motivation is for liking something, and it's unfair to assume.

Re: 104

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

I know that it's a common coping mechanism. Personally, I can understand both sides and I don't really know how to create a solution. I'm just trying to keep the OP from being dogpiled, here.

Re: 104

[3libras.livejournal.com]

I think the best solution is for people who don't like it to ignore it if it's not hurting anyone (and I don't think it does, provided people are warned about what they're reading before they read it - anyone who is "inspired" to rape someone or finds rape glamorous due to reading about it has much, much deeper issues), and for the people who do like it to properly warn people what their fanfiction contains in case it's something they want to avoid. It's a mutual respect thing. I'm a firm believer in the "there are no thoughts that are wrong to think" philosophy - it's all in how you act on those thoughts.

I may not be right, but I'm an arrogant bitch and I like to think I am.

Re: 104

[(Anonymous)]

then stop speaking for her because all you're doing is perpetuating the wank.

Re: 104

[(Anonymous)]

you're all over the place, aren't you?

are you the OP?

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[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

Yes, I'm all over the place. So are you.

Nope, not the OP.

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[calasstriastar.livejournal.com]

Ichigo is drawn like that a lot... Dear lord, you may be onto something there. I'll never unthink it XDD

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[(Anonymous)]

I would like to fantasize about your grisly death. I think it would be really hot and I could get off to it. That okay with you? After all, it's not real. It's just fantasy.

Re: 104

[(Anonymous)]

Only if you experience it first hand, you insensitive 'ho.

Re: 104

[(Anonymous)]

Baaaaawwww.

Re: 104

[beandelphiki.livejournal.com]

*DED*

Re: 104

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

Sure, go ahead, if that gets you off. <3

Re: 104

[(Anonymous)]

Damnit! Stop not being a hypocrite! You're making previous!anon look bad! >.

Re: 104

[(Anonymous)]

fiction and kinks, it's either all fantasy and not real, or it is. you can't make the separation that one is better than the other without starting that slide down the slippery slope.

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[(Anonymous)]

Of course they do. But I also have the right to be upset when people who call themselves my friends won't shut up about it even though they KNOW it makes me uncomfortable.

Re: 104

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

Are they going out of their way to mention it to you? Are they deliberately pushing it on you? If yes then either have the guts to tell them to go fuck themselves, or just defriend them and be prepared to answer questions.

If not, and they're just having everyday fannish conversations then either shut up and use the back button or get new friends who are not into this kind of stuff. I'm very sorry about what happened to you but you can't expect that because of this everyone will change their attitude, their likes and dislikes. It's you who has to adapt not everybody else. This is fandom, you're responsible for your own peace of mind here.

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[meagenimage.livejournal.com]

There is a big difference between "my friends keep talking about rapefic in my presence and it makes me uncomfortable, I wish they'd stop" and "people on the Internet keep writing rapefic and it makes me uncomfortable, I wish they'd stop". The first is asking your friends to have some consideration for you. The second is demanding that a large group of strangers to self-censor themselves for your sake.