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sakai_yukari, I agree with you. As a Jew, I am horrified and disgusted by this.

Wait, so is that supposed to mean that history can't be told through a more 'popular' medium? I should think that's rather ignorant, actually.

History is history; we learn about it to try and prevent it from happening again. Obviously yes WWII, Nazis, and Concentration Camps are NOT exactly on everyone's top ten favourite things, but I, personally, find it fascinating to learn all I can about it. I certainly do not condone what happened; I abhor the actions taken. But nothing can change what happened. I'm not Jewish, but if I was I wouldn't be horrified or disgusted at all. I wasn't there, and so I would say, 'Okay, that was the early 1940's, this is 2008, I think it's time to move on and just accept history for what it is.' However, if any of my past family had been involved in the horrors that took place, I might be a little 'hmmm...' but still: Definitely not so offended. Now, if you're talking about being horrified and disgusted at the fact that humans could actually commit these crimes: Please--! Be horrified and disgusted! But don't be horrified and disgusted because there's a story with a fandom that involves the Nazis and concentration camps.

I'm not sure what else exactly the fandom the OP posted about involves, but I really... really don't think it glorifies what happened in WWII. No pink flowers, or sparklies going off anywhere. I myself am both a German- and Italian-American. I get called Kraut, Nazi, Dago, etc. a lot by the kid I go to school with all the time. He happens to be Jewish and it really erks me that he can't just move on from what happened more than 60 years ago when neither of us were alive.

Your icon is from Band of Brothers, and Easy Company happen to find a Concentration Camp. The Jews came out as nothing but skin and bone! And--if I remember correctly--they showed a pile of burnt bodies. Believe me--I cried during this scene when I watched it in high school , and I find it rather ironic that you seem to be a fan of Band of Brothers, but can't grasp the fact that there's another story portraying (what may as well be) the exact same thing.

I think history is a highly important subject to keep alive. Especially to atrocities of WWII: From the Nazi party, to the Holocaust, to Pearl Harbor, to Normandy... all the way down to the last chip of paint on the planes. (Which, admittedly, isn't 'atrocious', but... history, nonetheless.) If it is told in a story format, what's so bad about it?

I'm sorry if you find my response offensive, but, as a fan of history and WWII, I find everyone else's response to secret 175 even more offensive.

tl;dr I get to decide what other people are allowed to be offended by AMIRITE

Also, you're an idiot for saying that Jews should "move on" from an atrocity that killed off most of the Jewish population in Europe. Imagine if your entire ethnicity almost ceased to exist in a period of a few years. Yeah, that'd really affect your culture, too. Why is it that nobody gives a shit when other ethnic groups are affected by genocide that happened a much longer time ago (slavery of African Americans, the genocide of the Native Americans), but when Jews are affected by something that happened less than a hundred years ago (practically yesterday as far as history is concerned), everyone is like "move on"?

I'm not saying everybody should feel bad but I can understand why it's a sensitive subject for many Jews.

Not at all; I think it's just a foolish thing to be so offended by.

First off, 'saying that' doesn't make me an idiot. If I had said to forget what happened, fine: Call me an idiot, but I did quite the opposite. I supported remembering what happened, and accepting history for what it is. Getting offended over the fact that so many Jews were killed will not bring them back.

As for nobody giving a shit: I do give a shit, actually. I'm ashamed that blacks were enslaved, and that Native Americans were killed, but that doesn't mean that some dead slave's grandson should get compensation: He wasn't there! I think it is important to be affect by history; it's impact is great, but to take offense to a story (not the fanfiction in question, but the fandom itself) is foolish.

Er... I think it's pretty safe to say that fanfic romances aren't keeping history alive. In fact, it would be a bit horrifying if people actually got their knowledge of the holocaust from fan fiction.

I really... really don't think it glorifies what happened in WWII. No pink flowers, or sparklies going off anywhere.

Actually, I think that precisely this might have gone on with the fic in question. "Sheer fucking fluff" is not that far from pink flowers and sparkles. Unless the OP has confused Fluff with Angsty H/C and sheer with "somewhat."

I'm sorry you seem to think I was talking about the fanfic. I was talking about the fandom in question; sorry. (And I agree wholeheartedly with the gaining of knowledge through fanfiction.)

However, while I myself probably wouldn't write a fluff fic, I see no reason why the OP/author wouldn't be allowed to write a homosexual fanfic, whose setting happens to be a concentration camp. Who's to say that such a thing wouldn't happen?

You know, this brings up a question for me, how is writing fic set in a historical setting fanfic? Seems to me it would all be original historical fic, unless they were using some source in particular.

That aside, thing is, I've read some historical homosexual original fic set in concentration camps and it has gone over well with no homophobia. So there is no reason why it being homosexual would be a problem. The fluff however, that's another story.

The OP wrote a fanfic based on the fandom, and it was the content of the fanfic that set people off. I'm all for original and fan historical fic, it's just trusting the source. (Unless you meant something else?)

Like I said, the fluff would really be pushing it for me (but then, I'm a lover of angst fic), but depending on how it was written is a huge and unknown (and very important) variable. It might have been a daydream of a character; like musing, or something.

So... there's Holocaust fanon? A shared holocaust-based universe out there? I didn't know that. I've only seen the independently written stuff.

Yeah, for me writing fluff about the holocaust would be kind of missing the entire point.

It's not so much 'fanon' (in the usual fangirl 'fanon' sense) as there's a series that's mentioned the concentration camps. As for the fanon there may be, I think it'd be more or less for the knowledge and fascination of history; that's how I feel about it.

I suppose it really depends how you look at it. Lover-of-angst I may be, but no matter what situation is, I try to keep happy and think of better things, so... maybe the OP's characters were like that? I suppose it depends on how the situation is presented as well.

Yeah. Guessing from the flame count, probably no so much.

Oh many canons have holocaust and the nazi era as part of them. I mean, even Full Metal Alchemist has nazis and it wouldn't be much of a stretch to write the Elric brothers at the time of the camps. I thought perhaps the OP meant that Auschwitz itself was the small fandom. But if she were writing for something like Maus, yeah, that'd be fanfic.

Oh, no--the OP said it was just part of the canon story. So... yeah.

I totally misread! Ha ha!

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