[ SECRET POST #4466 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4466 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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10. [SPOILERS for The Gentleman's Guide to Vice and Virtue]



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11. [WARNING for discussion of domestic abuse]



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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I met ninety6tears two summers ago in South Virginia and she all of a sudden knocked me down and started kicking me in the face. Some bystanders had to intervene and I suffered a major concussion.

[(Anonymous)]

Fuck off

[(Anonymous)]

Reply with your actual account next time

[(Anonymous)]

I saw Goody Proctor with the devil.

[(Anonymous)]

One time Regina George punched me in the face. It was awesome.

[(Anonymous)]

A buddy of mine saw Kylo Ren take his shirt off in the shower and he said that Kylo Ren had an 8-pack. That Kylo Ren was shredded.

[(Anonymous)]

But the thing is that most situations aren't the Salem witch trials

[(Anonymous)]

So what?

As William Blackstone said, "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

Accusers should NEVER be assumed they are telling the truth. We should listen to them, yes. But the burden of guilt is on the accuser and their representative.

[(Anonymous)]

and victims are... not innocent? such dumb logic to apply this outside of court.
"better for ten people to suffer than for one other person to suffer" wow such supreme bigthink you're right the morally excellent thing is to assume all abuse and rape victims are lying thank god that smartyquote cleared that up

[(Anonymous)]

I think that is an excellent standard to use when you're talking about using the overbearing power of the state to mere out punishment, as Blackstone was writing about.

I don't see why my personal belief about what is and is not true should follow what is correct for the state. Because I'm not the state. I'm a private citizen with my own reason. I can make nuanced judgments, I am not bound by the laws of evidence, I can think in terms of probabilities, and I do not have the power to imprison or execute people based on the judgments I make. The state needs to have a high standard of certainty for specific reasons that don't apply to individual citizens.

[philstar22]

That's a great standard for court. Real life is not court, and there is no reason we need to hold everything to the same evidentiary standard as court.

[(Anonymous)]

What about mob justice though? Social media has made it abundantly clear that what public opinion is can and will cost people jobs regardless of what's actually true.

[philstar22]

That's a problem. But I think there has to be some middle ground. I think there should be some level of evidence, but I don't think it has to be the level of evidence required by a court.

[(Anonymous)]

Even though it's easier than ever to manipulate or completely falsify evidence?

[(Anonymous)]

But what is your solution to the scenario where people really actually do fucked up, awful things.

[philstar22]

Yes. I think it is ridiculous to say to victims "you have to prove to the public as much as you have to prove to the court before anyone will believe you." Yes, that means that sometimes we're going to believe people who turn out to be lying. But it is much better to air on that side than it is to air on the side of never believing victims (which is mostly where we're at now, with the occasional exception).

[(Anonymous)]

It's one thing to ask that people use their reason and try not to immediately rush to judgment. It's another thing entirely to demand a presumption of innocence and proof beyond a shadow of a reasonabke doubt. There is a big leap between those things.

[philstar22]

This.