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[ SECRET POST #4467

⌈ Secret Post #4467 ⌋

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[Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan (Amazon)]

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02.

[Zeal & Ardor]

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03.

[The Umbrella Academy, The Haunting of Hill House]

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04.

[Abu from Aladdin]

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05.

[The Umbrella Academy]

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[Vanya Hargreeves, The Umbrella Academy]

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07.

[The Breakfast Club, Note from OP: that one scene where Allison draws a picture on black paper and then shakes dandruff "snow" all over it]

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08.

[American Gods, season 2]

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09.

[The Enemy Within, Kate Ryan/Erica Shepherd]

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This. His father sent him to the moon AS AN GROWN UP ADULT.

Isolation/Solitary Confinement is a literal torture technique that is against the Geneva Convention.

Klaus was put in solitary confinement in a mausoleum as a young child for hours at a time.

Vanya was put in an isolation chamber for weeks if not months as a very young child and again as an adult without knowing if she would stay there for the rest of her life.

But sure Luther's trip to the moon as a grown up adult is the only thing Reginald did that's against the Geneva Convention.

Did I say that was the only thing? No. YOU said that Luther was sent to the moon as an adult, so it wasn't so bad. You are the one dismissing torture because it happened towards someone you don't like.

An adult has more life experience and coping skills than a child. Torture is bad but torturing a child is even worse than torturing an adult.

Bullshit. That is such a fucking gross thing to say.

But if we are going to compare, Klaus was isolated as a child but only for days (maybe a week) at a time.

Vanya was never actually completely isolated because she had Grace/Pogo/Reginald to visit her to feed her and such. Also, it was never shown that she was actually kept there for long? Not sure where you got months from.

Luther was sent to solitary confinement for YEARS. It is amazing he didn't end up killing himself or having a psychotic break.

Klaus was made to stay locked in the dark in a mausoleum full of ghosts until he can teach himself to use his powers better and this happened to him so much he gets traumatic flashbacks about it as an adult.

Vanya was made to stay in an isolation chamber underground by herself and while Grace/Pogo/Reginald visited I don't think they hung around to chat or play games with her. I said months because her hair was longer when she left the chamber as a very young child. She was begging to be let out of the chamber and explain and made to watch her brothers and sisters leave when she was locked up for the second time.

Luther was told the trip to the moon was a mission. He had a sense of purpose. He can walk around on the moon instead of staying in a closed space.

It's amazing that all three of them didn't end up killing themselves and Vanya had a psychotic break at the end of the series.

You understand that solitary confinement has nothing to do with being able to 'go places'? It has to do with having no direct human contact for extended periods of time.

A sense of purpose means NOTHING when you are in that kind of situation.

I am not sure why you are trying to downplay the horrible things Luther went through, but you do you.

What happened to Luther was not good but Luther was not traumatized by the experience as as Klaus and Vanya clearly were. He was disappointed and disillusioned and frustrated when he discovered that Reginald didn't read his reports but did not look like someone in danger of a psychotic break.

I know Luther's your fave but all the siblings went through horrible things.

Luther is literally my least favorite of all the siblings. However, I am not an asshole so I don't dismiss his trauma like some people. If you feel the need to dismiss people's trauma because people have it worse, that is fine. It makes you a horrible person, but nothing anyone else can do about that.

Being sent to the moon wasn't a trauma for Luther. It was an asshole thing for his dad to do but it wasn't traumatizing. There's no trauma to dismiss.

Sure, buddy. Sure.

It's a TV show.

WHAT? Shit, this entire time I thought it was a documentary.

The point is Luther could leave anytime he wanted. He chose not to because daddy told him he was doing important things on the moon. Knowing you can leave isolation makes it not torture; that makes it solitude. Klaus and Vanya didn't have Luther's out, so they were the ones tortured by Reginald.

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So you are going to use the 'the abuse victim should have just left their abuser. It is his fault he didn't leave'. Cool, cool.

Again, the point is he could have left the moon anytime he wanted. He made a choice to stay however brainwashed he was into thinking he was doing important moon shit. No one forcibly locked him behind a door and refused to let him go.

Klaus and Vanya were forcibly locked in and not allowed leave until Reginald said so.

THEY HAD NO CHOICE.

My sister was abused by her ex-boyfriend. He broke her jaw. She could have left at any time but didn't because she "loved him" and felt a duty to him because they had a daughter together. She wasn't locked up with no way to escape. She was stuck in an abusive relationship where her love was used against her. She did not leave until he finally went to jail.

Luther was raised in an isolated group with his siblings. Not only that, his father had changed him (after nearly dying) in a way that caused clear body dysmorphia and shame. Instead of getting help for this, Luther was sent into even more isolation while struggling to deal with this horrific new body.

His father had isolated him socially from anyone that could help him. He was brainwashed into believing his father loved and knew exactly what was best for him. He felt a duty to do what his father wanted because he loved him.

So, I get that you have some kind of hate boner for Luther. But how dare you try to downplay the kind of psychological abuse he suffered because "someone had it worse!!" That is demeaning to actual people who have suffered such abuse.

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"But sure Luther's trip to the moon as a grown up adult is the only thing Reginald did that's against the Geneva Convention."

Nobody here has even implied that, though. This is a rather flimsy straw man. People pointing out that Luther was treated badly isn't an argument that nobody else was. It's not either/or.

So is literally everything else that Reginald did to all of them, what's your point.

That assholes should stop dismissing the abuse that was done towards him because he was mean to your favorite depressed, white girl woobie.

They were all abused. Luther was suffering from very recent torture. He was acting the way his abuser taught him to.

Lol what? Luther's also white in case you forgot.

Like you said they were all abused. Including the depressed girl woobie you're talking about.

Then why did you ask what my point was???

And you know for a fact that a straight white guy gets far less sympathy in fandom than literally anyone else.

Hence some people in here dismissing literal torture against him because "Oh some people had it worsseee."

MAYRT More like they're saying he doesn't get a pass for his behavior BECAUSE they were all tortured, per the Geneva Conventions you keep citing.

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