[ SECRET POST #4483 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4483 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like if you're not into the comics at all, and only watch the movies, the significance of this entire argument is kind of lost.

Like, they managed to learn to work together in Avengers, despite being kind of at odds, and then they were friends (though also still kind of at odds) in AoU, and then CW happened and it all fell apart. From my perspective, they were barely friends in the first place. They had a wobbly, fledgling friendship, but it wasn't established to a degree where it felt like a major part of who the characters were or anything.

So when I read a secret like this, my reaction (with zero snark intended) is, "Yeah, and?" Like, I agree that they just don't work well together. Their personalities clash. It seems clear that Steve has Avengers that he gels with best, and Tony has Avengers that he gels with best, and there's really no reason that Tony and Steve should have to be pals.

But to me there's nothing...provocative or contra-canonical about that. Like, I'm not annoyed that the MCU brought them to this point, but I will be annoyed if the movies try to make them out to be besties in the future. (Though as everyone else is saying, I doubt they'll be around that long anyway. *sobs*)

[(Anonymous)]

i mean. They kinda tried to make it sound like they were besties. Tony’s whole reaction to Steve protecting Bucky and being all wounded about the “I THOUGHT WE WERE FRIENDS STEVE!!!” falls completely flat and has no emotional weight whatsoever. It wouldn’t have been out of place for Steve to reply “since when???” because whedon never made an effort to show friendship and the franchise was handed off to the Russos and forced to adapt the shittiest event comic that the emotional weight hinges on breaking a decades long friendship when there was no friendship to break so they just tell us no guise they really were friends. (And a million other reasons why civil war sucked but that’s besides the point)

[(Anonymous)]

i mean. They kinda tried to make it sound like they were besties. Tony’s whole reaction to Steve protecting Bucky and being all wounded about the “I THOUGHT WE WERE FRIENDS STEVE!!!” falls completely flat and has no emotional weight whatsoever.

I only really got that this was the intention when I saw how the more invested fans were responding to CW. Watching CW didn't succeed in conveying it to me. I mean, I understood that they both felt betrayed by the other in their own ways. And I actually found the final fight scene reasonably impactful (thought it felt like the writers had to force it into happening, a bit). But for me, the emotional impact didn't arise from, "Oh no, their incredible friendship! It's broken!" What I got from that scene was more along the lines of Yeats' The Second Coming: Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;[...]The ceremony of innocence is drowned.

But it definitely doesn't feel like they should've done Civil War when they did - if at all. If the MCU decision makers had been confident enough to do two more Avengers movies in which the Avengers were a strong team and good friends, then maybe they could done a CW scenario and gotten the emotional impact they were looking for. But as it was, it just felt flat and a little nonsensical. (And I say that despite the fact that, as a casual fan, I'm easy to please and enjoyed CW well enough.)