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⌈ Secret Post #625 ⌋

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I'm just annoyed by fandom's inability to appreciate friendship. It's not just a slash thing, either. You can love someone very deeply and have no sexual feelings for them whatsoever.

I've shipped plenty of weird or non-canon pairings, it's not that, it's just that huge amounts of fandom seem to interpret any relationship as a fucking relationship. Platonic love exists.

Somebody gets it :)

Well, if you ship one pairing and see everybody else as friends, that's just seeing one friendship as possibly becoming romantic, right? Other people will do the same - only they will ship different pairings. And voila, suddenly the fandom thinks all friendships must turn romantic! Except not.

Then more people should write fanfic about the couples they see as friends, instead of only the ones they see as having hot sex.

Really? Why? Shouldn't they just write what they think is most fun to write?

If they don't think non-sexy friendship is as fun to write as hot sexxings... then we're right back at "fandom as a whole prefers hot sexxings to friendship between characters".

No, I think the original opinion was that everyone in fandom thinks that all who are friends in canon have, or should have, romantic relationships with each other.

If you want to take issue with the amount of romance in general existence, you'd have to rephrase the complaint.

Most people in fandom appreciate friendship just fine, they just aren't interested in reading about it. There's a differences between what people find interesting in fiction and what they do in real life.

And, hell, I've gotta ask: are you really saying that nobody in fandom has ever had a friend in their life? Or that they're all sexual compulsives who fuck everybody they care about?

When did real life ever become part of the conversation? I'm talking about how fandom reacts to the thing they're a fan of. It's got nothing to do with real life.

Do you think people complaining about shipping goggles really mean that fans go around shipping random strangers on the bus? No.

When did real life ever become part of the conversation?

You said: You can love someone very deeply and have no sexual feelings for them whatsoever and Platonic love exists as if they were things that most fans didn't know. I was just taking this claim to its logical conclusion.

Do you think people complaining about shipping goggles really mean that fans go around shipping random strangers on the bus?

Of course not. However, I do think that they make condescending judgments about shippers. You can be annoyed by the ubiquity of shipfic without deciding that there's something wrong with the people writing it.

Well don't. It's called hyperbole. Obviously I know that fandom people who view fancrap as if friendship doesn't exist don't go around viewing real life the same way. I guess, in the interests of clarity, I should have said that platonic love exists in fiction. I didn't know that people had so much trouble distinguishing, because to me the fandom=/=reality line is always assumed.

I'm not annoyed by shippers, my entire involvement in fandom is about shipping, I probably annoy genficcers. It's just true that everything tends to get twisted into something sexual in fanfic. I don't think there's anything wrong with us, but we can, at times, stand to realize that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

I guess, in the interests of clarity, I should have said that platonic love exists in fiction. I didn't know that people had so much trouble distinguishing, because to me the fandom=/=reality line is always assumed.

I understand. However, once you start talking about what a person knows about relationships, it does sound like you're bringing their real life into it. In my mind, there's a big difference between, "maybe these two characters are just friends" and "you don't know what platonic love is". The first one is talking about fictional characters and the other one is talking about the fans themselves.

It's just true that everything tends to get twisted into something sexual in fanfic.

Actually, I think very few people 'twist' everything into something sexual. Most of the shippers I know have pretty strong preferences: they love A/B, but hate A/C, and think that A and C are better off as friends. There may be people who think every single relationship is sexual, but I haven't met them.

I don't think there's anything wrong with us, but we can, at times, stand to realize that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

That's a good point -- I just don't think it has anything to do with 'not knowing friendship exists'. I'd say that it's about getting overly attached to one interpretation and shutting out other possibilities. This is a bad thing to do, even when the other possibilities don't include porn.

Oh my god, THANK YOU.
This is one of the reasons I love Legend of Galactic Heroes so much.

Some of us just find it harder to write, or just enjoy writing it less. I ship pretty much everyone with everyone else in my fandoms, but I also love more platonic relationships between the same people.

Easy example is the two in my icon: I love them when they have the most disfunctional friendship ever (okay, not literally, there's worse) and Gokudera professes to hate and want to throw bombs at Yamamoto, who is just like "hahaha LOL WE'RE FRIENDS 8D" I love it equally when they've grown and are calmer. I love seeing them portrayed as awkward friends, best friends, or almost brothers. I love seeing them have an awkward relationship, only having sex without much love or affection behind it (if only on Gokudera's part), one-sided love, downright sweetness, tragedy, or something where they've grown to work so well with each other that they're practically married ~~lololol mafia wife I mean~~. I also ship them with other people, occasionally at the same time. I also take those other people, and enjoy them relating platonically.

I get that probably you're just complaining about those that really are fanbrats about it, buuut the thing is, while I love good gen, almost everything I write comes out as being at least mildly shippy whether I mean it to or not, because that's the part of relationships that I find fascinating to play with when I'm writing. And while it is the case far more than it really should be, a lot of people assume automatically that just because I ship Character A/Character B, it means I can't appreciate a platonic relationship between them or that I'm just twisting the canon and "looking at it wrong" to suit my own preferences. I know that 99% of my ships have no chance of becoming canon, and I would go "WTF" if a lot of them ever did, so... meh.

I think that turned out TL;DR because I kind of forgot halfway through where I was going with this. Uhhhh. ;; I guess it's just that... even though there are fanbrats, more of fandom gets it than you'd think, and just because we ship characters doesn't mean we don't see their relationships in other ways as well?

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