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⌈ Secret Post #628 ⌋

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*rolls eyes* Well, no use reasoning with someone who is obviously more intent on saying that we're just being OMG WHINY instead of realising that, hey, maybe not everyone is just like me and thinks that the fangulls are cute.

It's NOT cute. I'm sorry, I'm in fandom for the intelligent stuff, the thought provoking fic, the stuff that makes me go "Hey, this totally fits with canon", the well-written. I'm in fandom for things that are actually amusing. I'm in fandom to see if maybe someone can make something other than the canon pairing actually work.

I'm NOT in fandom to just squee and giggle and think that EVERYTHING goes. I don't mind the existence of the fangulls. In fact, I avoid certain places because I used to be a fangull and I know where they flock. I just really would like to be able to search for fanfic or fanart and not see a bunch of squee in what was once a pretty cool place. I'd like to be able to find more Batman comms that aren't all full of annoying squee.

I'd like to think I'm pretty live and let live about the annoying fangirls, because a lot of people start out that way. It's the people who write horribly and take all critique as trolling that get to me. It's the people who say that they know X character is OOC and they DON'T CARE that get to me. It's the people who only write for reviews that get to me.

Except, you know, I just avoid them. I shake my head and move on, because I know they're just going to move on to the next fandom du jour. I don't get as worked up about them as you seem to get worked up about people who make a secret about disliking them. Hey, at least they aren't saying this to their faces.

Honestly, people like you are more annoying than fangulls.

Honestly, people like you are more annoying than fangulls

Odd, because that's what I've just said over and over about people like you. Funny, that.

I like that I'm the one not realising that "hey, maybe not everyone is like me." Or rather, you realise that, you're just extremely intolerant of the fact. You say you don't mind the existance of fangulls, but that seems a bit at odds with your paragraphs of distain and, well, downright vitriol.

Actually, almost everything you say here seems to be at odds with what you're doing, and almost everything you're accusing me of seems to be fairly applicable to you as well. You say you don't get worked up--you've just spend two/three comments arguing with me about how fangulls suck, in response to a sarcastic-lolspeak comment of mine that you seem to consider being "worked up." (I assure you, it was typical flipness from me).

I hate the whingers who can't take critique, I hate the OOC writers. I will never get people who withhold chapters until they get X-number of reviews. The fangullness, it is cute, though, sorry, in a pathetic way. As you say, you used to be one. Almost everyone did. That's why it's cute--it's nostalgic, it's painful, and it's a little like looking at a particularly ugly and stupid puppy and wondering what it will be like when it grows up.
(For that matter, and going into judgementalness, I'm so tired of seeing these derogatory names that fans make up for other fans like "fangulls" and "fen" and the like. Seriously, is it all just about trying to prove your duck is better?)

Apparently, though, my opinions make me judgemental, despite the fact that there's really no vitriol or malice, simply an honest sigh because hate tears fandom apart and makes it more unpleasant than even the stupidest squeeing. But your opinions are holy and special and must be validated, because you're more right, I guess.

I think you're just looking to pick a fight, because I am not more intent on saying how whiny you are than listening to reason. I am waiting for the reason, reason that doesn't contradict itself, and reason that, well, makes sense.

I like to think of fandom as a happy place, with its fair dose of sarcasm and mockery. Family like. Elitism that declares that Only Our Kind Of Fan-type should exist is just...tiresome at this point. I see it all over, and it never actually contributes anything except grumping, which, admittedly, is something all fans love to do, possibly even more than squeeing.

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I've never had this much wank result from a sarcastic CAPS comment before. It's kind of hilarious.

I'm a fairly contradictory person. *shrugs* If you think this is wank... Heh. This isn't wank. If you want wank, I can point you to someone who can wank with the best of them. I don't keep that person on my flist anymore for good reason.

I don't get why no one thinks it's possible to dislike something, but not be actively against it and to possibly even *gasp* ignore it. It's like when I get into a discussion about abortion. The moment I mention my views, everyone immediately assumes that I believe in X and I do Y, and no one can wrap their minds around the fact that while I believe what I do, I don't really expect other people to care. I don't really plan on forcing my beliefs on other people. Sure, I'll get on my soapbox or I'll debate about it in a place where I know there are people who, while they disagree with me, won't tar me with the brushes used for the extremists who hold an opinion similar to mine, but do I ever expect anyone to do something because it's what I think is morally right? No. It's your body.

Just like fandom. I don't like fangulls. Depending on my mood I'll either read their stuff to see if they've got potential to be more than just a fangull yet, or if they're still forming as a fan and haven't quite got to where they care about more than just the fandom and character du jour; or I'll just pass right on by. I don't like fangulls because I used to be one, and I don't feel any sense of nostalgia for myself as a fangull. I look back at that and go, "Oh my God, why didn't I actually use my brain instead of just squealing over how cute Neo is or how stupid Chibi-Usa is?". There is nothing cute about that to me. Of course, I may just be a harsh, demanding person, both of myself and others, but moreso of myself.

Ah, but then, most people appear to be of the opinion that humans must never ever be contradictory. If you're going to be something, then everything you say and do has to support that. While I'm not a fan of blatant hypocrisy, like people who claim to be honest sweetness and light but turn out to be the kind of person who will make shit up about you if you rub them wrong, I do realise that people are complex creatures, and what they say and what they do might not necessarily add up at first glance.

Well, if you're contradictory and that's okay and all there is to it, I don't see why you keep pointing out me being "contradictory" as if it's something that I need to defend. Though the truth is, I never got where I said I was a "PARAGON of tolerance" or anything like that. I'm terribly intolerant in fandom, but generally of different things than noobs (I have one RL accquaintance who learned that I can speak civilly about religion, sexuality, and abortion with a variety of different people who all hold different beliefs from myself without really getting angry, but the minute he says something like "Fables? Man, that comic sucks!" them's faghtin' werds.) So there's my contradiction.
This isn't the worst wank I've seen by a long shot; it's just unexpectedly in depth from a simple, lolspeak comment.

So you don't have the nostalgia over your old self. Fine, that's cool, and that explains why you dislike the fangulls. Maybe that's why I find them endearing if annoying. That was highschool for me, and highschool was a very good time--I made most of my best friends when we were in the fangull stage, even though we've grown up and out of it now, we're still tight, and we can always get a laugh out of "Oh man, remember that night we stayed up, fueled on Parmesean Goldfish, writing a fic about going to Ancient China and falling madly in love with Tasuki and Chichiri?" It was bad, it was painful, but it was fun then. I remember the fun above all else, even if I wouldn't find it fun now, and I just can't bring myself to really, truly begrudge the little newfen their chance to have that kind of fun now while they're new and stupid.

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