[ SECRET POST #4511 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4511 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I honestly don't understand what movie you watched, and I don't understand what you want, because in the movie I watched, it was crystal fucking clear that these two people used to be in love.

[(Anonymous)]

Did they say it though.

[(Anonymous)]

Is that what you wanted? You wanted Dumbledore and/or Grindelwald to outright say, "we were in love"?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, actually. It would take all of a single second, presumably while they're already discussing their history with each other. Or would that that be absolutely impossible?

[(Anonymous)]

It would be unbelievable to me if either of them openly discussed their history with each other.

I know you don't agree. I know you don't care. I know you want your representation no matter what. I don't. I want believable characters and a slow reveal. So it feels pointless to discuss further.

[(Anonymous)]

You're damn right I want my representation no matter what, because right now I have to beg for scraps. But so sorry, pardon me for thinking "I loved him" is a believable thing for a person so say in a movie full of magical creatures. My bad.

[(Anonymous)]

Why do you think it would be unbelievable?

[(Anonymous)]

Why not? If neither of them actually said that they were in love in the movies people can argue that they’re heterosexuals.

[(Anonymous)]

Ding ding, there it is!

[(Anonymous)]

It was the second of a five movie arc. Dumbledore was barely introduced in it. Give them time.

[(Anonymous)]

What's the acceptable period of time before we can say two characters dated? For straight people it seems to be one movie.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know if you're being disingenuous are or you're just obtuse but the two characters didn't get a chance to interact yet and one of them was in the film for maybe ten minutes.

[(Anonymous)]

Did their past relationship come up?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry, but given that we know that Dumbledore's brother liked to fuck goats -and that was put IN the books-, I think we could have had something better than "We were like brothers". At the very least a "I was put in house arrest for my feelings for him", or "despite all he's done, I can't hate him" Or SOMETHING that can't be ambiguously handwaved by the straight audience (And yes, I've heard people who claim Dumbledore is not gay and that it's all "fanfiction stuff")

[(Anonymous)]

Says the person talking about a series where it took seven books for the reveal that Snape was friends with and in love with Harry's mom?

[(Anonymous)]

Snape's creepy crush is for another thread.

[(Anonymous)]

But... that's because it was meant to be a big dramatic reveal for plot reasons. We, as readers, already do know that there was a relationship in this case. There's no dramatic value to not displaying it. It's a totally different situation.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this. I frankly don't know how else those scenes could have been read. It was obvious that Dumbledore was in love with him, the acting and directing was clear on that point without needing a narrator to clarify things.

[(Anonymous)]

Romantic love? I am genuinely asking as I haven't seen the most recent movie

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, thank god Jude Law is a good enough actor that we don't have to make anyone uncomfortable by stating that Dumbledore loved a man. Because, as we all know, the only way we ever know someone is in love is because of an awkwardly-inserted narration.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, the only way you could NOT catch on to the fact that they were in love was if you had your head buried completely in the sand. Even my grandmother picked up on it and she's generally totally blind to subtext.

[(Anonymous)]

But it was subtext?

[(Anonymous)]

Congrats on your grandmother's impeccable gaydar, but having gay characters explicitly state that they're gay is the lowest possible bar and we're still tripping over it.

[(Anonymous)]

Because you were looking for it, perhaps? Because we are fandom people and already know this was part of the character and so interpreted the scenes as (maybe) intended?

I'm a huge Potterhead. I watched this movie in theater. It was long and chaotic and chock full of storylines and characters careening from one end of the English Channel to the other. Scenes dipping into the past rifling through various characters' memories willy-nilly. Magical spells going boom and bang every couple of beats. I think Dumbledore appeared maybe three times in the movie, and when he talked about Grindelwald he said they were like "brothers". You get a flashback of their younger selves (played by different actors) doing some kind of blood ritual, which becomes a plot device.

None of those tropes are inherently or even specifically romantic. They've all been done before within the context of totally platonic relationships. An uninitiated viewer -- and these are the people we're trying to reach here -- will for sure miss the intent among all the flashing special effects and confusing new characters being shoved into the story. There's a time for a nuanced touch, and there's a time when you beat it over their heads, and considering the film this turned out to be, I know what would have been more effective.