[ SECRET POST #4512 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4512 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

04. https://i.imgur.com/L8T5MD1.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that Henry did start his own church is sort of a counterargument here, though, isn't it?

(to be precise, the power of kings was limited primarily by their political power rather than by formal rules)

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, he did but it was a rather long, drawn out process and not something easily done.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, and sometimes kings fuck up and fail, but my point is that it's basically about having the political power to dictate it.

[(Anonymous)]

And correct me if I'm wrong, but since nobody knew about this convenient secret annulment, including Elia and ESPECIALLY the enemy forces, then Elia and her children were brutally and horrifically murdered for no reason. So romantic. Wow.

[(Anonymous)]

They would still have been murdered, surely.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought Jon would be the legitimate heir because Rhaegar married Lyanna while still married to Elia. House Targaryen had a history of polygamy, after all.

[(Anonymous)]

More to the point, Elia's children were killed with Elia.

Presumably. Assuming Aegon (two sons called Aegon according to the show will never not make me laugh, I'm sorry) is actually the pretender we all think he is.

Regardless, House Targaryen did have a history of polygamy, but they also have a history of civil war because of differing opinions to who should inherit the crown. It literally caused the extinction of the dragons.

But that doesn't matter -- Rhaegar thought he needed three children, because the dragon has three heads and prophecy blah blah. There wasn't set to be competition in his eyes, it's just that his first wife was too sickly to have more kids and he needed a third.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, Rhaegar didn't need to annul his first marriage, the first two kids were still relevant to the prophecy. Maybe they're trying to say Lyanna demanded it as a condition of marrying him?

In the present day, however, there's only one kid left, so no need for a civil war over who should take precedence.

[(Anonymous)]

Targaryens can have multiple wives. So there was really no need to annul the first marriage.

[(Anonymous)]

Man, Targaryens get away with a lot of shit that the general populace can't get away with. Makes you wonder what Valyria was really like.

[meadowphoenix]

the ASOIAF relationship between religion and marriage isn't the same of England's. Suffice it to say, GRRM validated that annulment just needs the High Septon's agreement, so....get over it.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, please. Henry VIII was grooming Henry Fitzroy (literally "Henry the King's bastard") for the throne. And Henry Fitzroy probably wouldn't have been the first bastard King of England. Also, primogeniture was used in England in the hopes of avoiding civil wars, but other countries were using alternative succession systems that had no problem with brilliant bastards.

[(Anonymous)]

SA: The Tudor dynasty is not the best one to look at as an example where things like primogeniture, rule of law, and respect for legal marriage worked.

[(Anonymous)]

cf William the Bastard, aka William the Conqueror.

[arashinoookami]

It's a fantasy world, not our world. Who says their rules are the same?

Also, in some countries/cultures, like Japan, illegitimate sons had as much right to positions of power as legitimate ones.