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⌈ Secret Post #4516 ⌋

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[The Secret Etiquette Of Lady Takashima]

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[Avatar: The Last Airbender]

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[Harry Potter]

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[Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice]

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[Stephen Fry as Inspector Thompson in Gosford Park]

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[Dragon Age/Dragon Age: Origins/DA4]

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[Queer Eye, S03 E01 "From Hunter to Huntee"]

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[A View to a Kill]

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You have more faith in humanity.

These people are very much of the opinion that games shouldn't be accessible, because THEY enjoy it being super difficult and a fucking achievement to even finish.

Just because someone likes the difficult in the Souls games and other similar games doesn't mean they think every game should be insanely hard. But those particular games being hard is a feature/the point of them and if someone doesn't like that they can feel free to l,at one of the hundreds of other games without an insane difficulty setting.

But why? This is what I don't understand at all. OK, you like the games to be hard. But having an easy mode doesn't mean that the hard mode suddenly stops existing. It doesn't make the game any easier for people who like the difficulty. So what's the problem with it? I'm not saying they necessarily should or shouldn't, but I don't see why it would be bad if they did. Similarly, someone else using cheat codes during the game has no impact whatsoever on how you play the game, so why do people care?

No, it doesn't mean that, but it does mean that when you say "I beat this game" it means less. Because people at the moment KNOW what you went through to beat it. They know you have skill and determination. an easy mode invariably lessens the achievement.

Like, ok, two people come up to you, one says "I just beat Devil May Cry" and the other one says "I just beat bloodborne", no you don't have to be a dick about it, but admit it, you are inherently more impressed with the bloodborne player. MAYBE the person who beat DMC did it on dante must die mode, and that is still an incredible achievement to me, but you know the statement "I just beat bloodborne" means more about the persons skill and determination than "I just beat Devil May Cry".

Considering you can cheese bloodborne by endlessly grinding and abusing AI exploits for some of the most difficult fights idk it’s really not that impressive to beat bloodborne either. It just means you have a shitton of patience.

-signed a player who dumped 30 points into VIT and abused Spin2Win early game tactics to carry me all the way to post-Rom.

Well I haven't played Borne yet, but I just played the first Dark Souls, and yeah, you can level in that too, but it doesn't really change much. I'm of the opinion that given that game, even at a high level a fucking mook can take you down if you let your focus slip it's STILL a damn hard game. And things like finding an exploit or leveling is a part of the tactics of the game, so if it's how you play it I don't see it as a violation. But honestly after I spent a while grinding on the Undeadburg bridge I was like "This isn't worth it". I was getting bored and it wasn't giving me the edge I was hoping for so I just pressed on with what I had. If you have the patience to grind to a point where you can take the hellkite down in one swing, I will STILL respect you for putting in the work that I couldn't.

Because that's the point of those games. It's like complaining Fallout is about shooting mutant monsters and role-playing and not about, idk, building, farming and crafting. You play other games for that if you want to. There is a huge variety of games with easy modes to choose from. And if you have those hard games for a PC, you can often cheat, anyway, so I don't see the issue.
Adding additional game modes costs additional time and money. Those difficult games are made for a certain group of people who enjoy playing them and buy them. People who don't like that can play different games. Not every game has to be accessible for every single person.

I have to argue against one or two points:

Accessibility is not about easy modes. That is something the Journos are pushing to make it seem like their calls for easier games are actually to help disabled people.

Accessibility is things like subtitles for the deaf, the ability to turn off flashes for epileptics etc. I can get behind that stuff. Toning down the challenge is not an accessibility thing. it's a "This thing wasn't made for my skill level and that IS NOT OK!"

Additonally I have to fix one point about your characterisation of the argument:

"These people are very much of the opinion that this games shouldn't be ~~accessible~~ easy, because THEY enjoy it being super difficult and a fucking achievement to even finish."

If you'd said that, I'd have actually agreed with the sentiment, but again, it's not an accessibility thing, and it's not about all games. it's about these specific games being explicitly about the challenge and reward. I'm pretty ok with DMC having an easy mode. I don't mind the creative mode in mine craft.

Think of it like reading a book. A book like lovecraft. I find his style to be... difficult to follow. I find his word choices to be... esoteric. I do not enjoy his works so I do not read them. I do not get to complain that HP Lovcraft books need to come with a less wanky option. People who like lovecraft like the wanky. And sure they could still enjoy the original text even if I got my dumbed down version printed, but I don't have any right to expect them to print that for me.

"That is something the Journos are pushing to make it seem like their calls for easier games are actually to help disabled people."

Fuck off, I am a disabled person and I agree "DA JOURNOOOOEEEEEZ." Take your sexist, hardcore, "I need to stroke me e-peen" dickish attitude and shove it, I'm so fucking SICK of your paranoia and conspiracy theories. Easy mode is for people like me whose hands don't fully work. Fuck the hell off, you absolute fucking wanker.

I'll level with you, I don't believe this is sincere, but on the off chance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tso8u4OJLuI

Might I suggest that certain games are not for you? Not because of your disability but because you are not of the level where you can overcome? There is no shame in that, there is no insult intended, it's just a fact. Rhythm games are not for me, as being white leaves me with the crippling lack of rhythm.

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Don't get me wrong, this is amazing, but how does that prove anything? That's one single person, not every gamer who happens to be disabled.

It disproves the idea that games need to lower the skill threshold to let people play

If you care about something, you can do it. If you don't care to put in the effort this chap did - And I really don't blame you, I may never be that skillful - the solution, I think, is to walk away and not fuss about it. Not to demand that you shouldn't have tp put in the effort in a game that is all about, almost exclusivly about gaining reward from effort.

Sorry, but all this video proved is that THAT particular guy could do it. Not that anyone, even those with the same or "lesser" disabilities, can do it if they just care enough and put in enough effort.

I was going to write more, but checking the rest of the thread I get the feeling we wouldn't really get anywhere, so... agree to disagree?

sure

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