[ SECRET POST #4518 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4518 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

If anyone deserved the Mad Queen title, it was Cersei, but she's not a Targaryen so I guess she can't be insane.

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't call Cersei mad. Evil Queen, certainly, but she wasn't insane.

[(Anonymous)]

Remind me what it was the Tyrells did to deserve what she did to them?

[(Anonymous)]

"she's evil"

"oh so you're saying her victims deserved it, huhn"

do you...not know what evil means

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - No, I'm saying that her retaliations were wildly disproportionate to the crimes committed against her. Of course she's evil. She's also fucking nuts.

[(Anonymous)]

This seems like a total non sequitur

You don't have to be crazy to be evil

[(Anonymous)]

No? Obviously? But I'm trying to say she is ALSO crazy in addition to being evil, at least as much as Dany ever was. Why is that hard to grasp?

[(Anonymous)]

Because the question you asked has nothing to do with her being crazy. Or at least I don't see what the relationship is.

[(Anonymous)]

Disproportionate retaliation to (perceived) threats and slights is insane behavior. Sansa killing Ramsay was revenge for raping her and killing her brother. Arya murdering the Freys was in response to a public massacre. Margaery only slightly threatened Cersei's power trip and she incinerated an entire building packed with people. How is that not insanity?

Better question: why is Dany insane and Cersei is not?

[(Anonymous)]

Disproportionate retaliation to (perceived) threats and slights is insane behavior

This is the part that I don't get. I get why that's evil, but I don't see how it's insane.

[(Anonymous)]

Why is Dany insane, then?

[(Anonymous)]

To be honest, I think as much as anything else, people are just using it as an explanation for how dramatic the change in her character is.

[(Anonymous)]

Margaery only slightly threatened Cersei's power trip and she incinerated an entire building packed with people.
That wasn't (just) about Margaery. That was about getting rid of the religious nutcases that threatened her.

[(Anonymous)]

She set off the religious nutcases in the first place. It was her own fault.

[(Anonymous)]

so she's 1) not as good a schemer as she thinks she is 2) hypocritical 3) not interesting in suffering consequences for her previous mistakes setting them off

none of that implies any particular break with reality or disordered thinking on the level of insanity

she's just prideful and cynical and cares more about getting her way than any amount of damage she's causing

evil and and not-perfectly-rationally-tactical-and-proportional do not combine to get "insane"

she's just evil, and also trying to be Tywin and not actually great at it. so instead of brutal and effective she's just kind of wantonly brutal and vindictive

[(Anonymous)]

Okay so why is Dany then obviously insane and not just brutal?

[(Anonymous)]

killed her son...

[(Anonymous)]

She didn't know that at the time and Olenna wasn't in that explosion

[(Anonymous)]

regardless, they were still responsible for the death of her kid. the initial comment came across as "the tyrells did nothing wrong, ever, in their lives".

[(Anonymous)]

And if you want to talk about Mad Kings, Joffrey certainly qualifies as one of those. He's probably an actual psychopath, not because he enjoys doing horrible things to people (as many GoT characters do), but because he genuinely doesn't seem to get WHY it's not great to do them.

[(Anonymous)]

Too much inbreeding in the Lannister line. Same thing happened with the Pharaohs. Brothers and sisters reproducing causes some fucked up people down the family line.

[(Anonymous)]

That would apply to Cersei's children but I didn't think the Lannisters as a whole were inbred.

[(Anonymous)]

Weren't Joanna and Tywins cousins or smth tho?

[(Anonymous)]

Not sure, but that's not QUITE as bad as brothers and sisters, which is what the Targs did.

[(Anonymous)]

Even if they were first cousins, you'd need several consecutive generations of first cousin marriages without any outcrossing to actually see the effects of incest.