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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2019-05-23 06:30 pm

[ SECRET POST #4521 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4521 ⌋

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[Citizen Kane]










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[personal profile] fscom 2019-05-23 10:34 pm (UTC)(link)

(Anonymous) 2019-05-23 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
It's a fucking good movie actually

(Anonymous) 2019-05-24 02:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Meh. Didn't enjoy it at all.

(Anonymous) 2019-05-23 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Damn, all those movie critics who have definitely not seen many movies GET DUNKED ON!

(Anonymous) 2019-05-23 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I've never seen it, but it's a very common opinion that it's one of the greats.
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[personal profile] philstar22 2019-05-23 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Or maybe people just have different opinions than you. Don't personally like it, but it was an important movie for the history of cinema.
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[personal profile] silverr 2019-05-23 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
This.

Although I found the story uninteresting, I still recall, 40 years later, my high school film teacher explaining that the things that Wells did in Kane changed moviemaking because no one had ever thought to do them before — stuff like high angle and low angle shots and actually showing the CEILINGS of rooms in the latter. Part of why the movie is considered great is because it expanded the toolkit.
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(Anonymous) 2019-05-24 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
+1, I watched it and thought it was interesting as a portrait of power and corruption, but then I watched it with a film geek and I learned so much!

(Anonymous) 2019-05-23 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I've never run into anyone with this opinion that either a.) hadn't actually seen Citizen Kane, b.) went into watching it with a massive chip on their shoulder about how "overrated" it is.

It's considered one of the best movies ever made for a reason. For several reasons, actually. You don't know better than people who literally analyze film as their job. It's fine if you didn't like it-- but your opinion isn't objective just because it's not the common one.

(Anonymous) 2019-05-24 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Hello! Nice to meet you.
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[personal profile] greghousesgf 2019-05-23 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
It's an excellent movie and I'm a huge film geek, however there are some other movies that are considered classics that I think are much too overrated.

(Anonymous) 2019-05-23 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
sounds contrarian just to be contrarian
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[personal profile] esteefee 2019-05-23 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that's like saying Carl Lewis wasn't a very good runner. Like, sure, Usain Bolt has three golds but Carl was there first with two? (talking 100m, back to back). Someone had to do it first.

Of course, the metaphor sucks because sports training isn't the same as art innovation, but you get the idea.

(Anonymous) 2019-05-23 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
not the metaphor I was going to use, but definitely the point I wanted to make! however I would use it to argue in the opposite direction, and say that now that others have followed in those footsteps, there are much better examples of just about everything CK excelled at.

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(Anonymous) 2019-05-23 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually haven't seen this film. I don't know what it's about even. Whoops.

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(Anonymous) 2019-05-23 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed, honestly.

(Anonymous) 2019-05-24 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
If you make a secret like this, then I know that you haven't been out in the world very much.

(Anonymous) 2019-05-24 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
Showing off your ignorance isn't cool tho.

(Anonymous) 2019-05-24 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
Haha, I still have yet to see this movie. I've heard mixed reviews.

How do you figure?

(Anonymous) 2019-05-24 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty sure all of these people have seen a lot more movies than most, actually.: https://www.metacritic.com/movie/citizen-kane-1941/critic-reviews

I thought it was well done, even if the plot irritated me to no end.

(Anonymous) 2019-05-24 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
I agree.
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[personal profile] ninety6tears 2019-05-24 04:21 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, all those professional critics have barely seen any movies!

I have no desire to see it again but I wouldn't go this far.

(Anonymous) 2019-05-24 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
How does that even work, OP? I'm honestly baffled by this secret! How does seeing one admittedly groundbreaking film that is IMO legitimately good compare to how many films one has seen?
You're saying that there are other films out there that are far better than Citizen Kane and thus one who thinks CK is one of the 'best' just hasn't enough of a range of films to compare it to? How do you even begin to make this analysis? I do consider Citizen Kane one of the best films of all time. And I consider myself a film buff. A person can say Citizen Kane is 'one of the best' and has distinct parameters for saying so such as technical excellence, great peformances script writing etc and then say the same for a bunch of other films, for different reasons. I think Citizen Kane is one of the best films of all time. I also think 'Planes Trains and Automobiles' is one of the best films of all time. Yes, CK is seen as one of the greats, but there is a reason for it.

(Anonymous) 2019-05-24 12:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I saw it for the first time earlier this year and I was so fricking bored.
The cinematography was impressive for its time, but other than that I found it pretty forgettable.

(Anonymous) 2019-05-24 12:16 pm (UTC)(link)
On one hand, this one is among several movies that tend to be on the "best movies of all time omg so awesome" lists of 1st year film students who think they sound knowledgable and refined by listing it.

On the other hand, that's not the movie's fault and it's actually on genuine "best movies" lists for a reason.

You can say that you don't like it. But saying "it's sooo overrated, not actually good" sounds a tiny bit pretentious and intentionally contrarian in a weirdly smug hipster way.

I mean, I get it. I personally can't watch Metropolis, for example, because I think it looks a bit silly from a modern POV and I have a hard time not finding those slightly too fast and jerky movements in old silent movies too involuntarily funny to take the movies seriously. But it's still a masterpiece of cinematography, especially for the time it came out.