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[ SECRET POST #4522 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4522 ⌋

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[The Matrix]

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[Mr Meaty]

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[Roxanne from A Goofy Movie]

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05. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]

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06. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]

[Arya/Gendry]

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07. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]

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08. [SPOILERS for Avengers Endgame]

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09. [SPOILERS for Avengers Endgame]

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10. [SPOILERS for Dawson's Creek]

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11. [WARNING for abuse, etc.]

[ProJared]

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So what are you saying all abuse victims DO have a responsibility to do to ensure their safety?

Because if you try to leave the abusers without having somewhere safe to go, you get killed. But you should turn down a healthy relationship that could save you because... it's not safe to cheat on the abuser?

So, what are you telling abuse survivors to do? Keep the abuser happy until a magical fairy god mother comes along to save them?

Seriously is this just a "Wako takes this point of view so I have to oppose him" thing? Cause telling people in an abusive relationship to not do something to seek safety and a healthier relationship because if they find out the abuser will kill them... That seems like a stance only taken be someone who wants to argue.

And you seem to be looking for a reason to shame people who cheat on abusive people. so...

and I'm sorry, I'm going to need to see the photographs of the bruises or the police reports or the hospital reports of the broken bones, because anyone can say "I'm an abuse survivor so what I say goes and you need to stop talking or you're "Talking over an abuse survivor, Ha Checkmate my horrible past means I win!"

So prove your cred or accept that your opinion on what other people are allowed to do in an abusive relationship is literally not one drop more valid than mine.

I mean, of the two of us, one of us is trying to tell abuse victims what they should be doing to keep their abuser happy, and the other one is offering a no-judgement opinion on why what an abuse victim might choose to do is not morally wrong.

But sure, you go ahead and morally judge abuse survivors to own the wakos, that's what you gotta do.

Sure... except I have not done nearly as much whining about feminism - And when I do, I always qualify it with "Some feminist" or equally mittigating word because, yeah... some feminists are cunts. And some women are cunts. You ever seen me say "No man is ever a cunt?" Because I also regularly say some men are cunts.

That means I treat men and women the same.

And I'll take your word for it. I actually have a notion that you might be a... certain named user going anon. I'll not make a thing of it, but am I close?

Yup.

Ri~ight.

Some feminists. and if you think some feminist arn't evil spiteful cunts literally out to ruin things for their percieved enemies regardless of the damage they might do... I gotta take you to see some TERF's, mothafuckas gonna blow your mind.

So none of this "I remember you being sexist because you said things that made me feel bad" Specifically, WHAT have I said that you think I apply only to women?

You ever here me say "All MRA's are perfect innocent victims?" No, you ain't be cause some of them are spiteful hateful cunts too.

But I bet, I just BET you are the type of person to hear someone say "This feminist a cunt, or This tenant of modern feminist is trash" and in your head you are only capable of hearing me say: "Feminists are ruining everything" An opinion I do not hold, and have never expressed.

So come on, Don't you just jedge me on the voice in your head telling you what I think or say, YOU right now, tell me what I have said.

Or don't you'll probably have more fun arguing with the version of me that lives in your head. You're almost garunteed to win that one at least.

As talking points those things are absolute 100% guarantees that the person I'm talking to needs the blood eagle.

But I can live with any of those ideas if they're slotted inside a funny joke.

Bullshit opinions are always bullshit as opinions, but there's always room to make them funny.

Sadly I've not seen many feminist actually turn them into anything funny. Probably because women are just not funny (JK, that one is just there as a gift for the anon above telling me I'm sexist. Like I need some fucking woman to tell me I am or am not sexist. Jesus.)

Yes, but was his idealistic, super-sekrit, totally out of the blue and utterly ridiculous fantasy farm in Iowa? Or MO?

HUH!

I wonder where....?
I mean - Missouri is a very, very pretty state, once you stop dealing with 99 percent of the people........

I get that, but the point I was making is there is a slight value difference between "I support human rights... to shut the fuck up" and "I support mens rights... to shut the fuck up" in that the latter, when delivered properly, could be potentially hilarious, in which case.

For me, I'm with you on the criteria b, tho. If you can dish it out, you can take it. and if you can't take it do not dish it out.

So when a feminist I know tells me "a man's mouth is not for words, it's for storing other mens dicks" I laugh because I know she can and has taken the same jokes in stride about women. I know it's coming from a good place of trying to make me laugh

And when there is a feminist who I KNOW objects to all sexist jokes about women, but drops this #killallmen shit, I absolutely will call bullshit on her "Joke", because I know it's coming from a spiteful place, you know?

So I've been thinking about the "Men can't be victims of sexism because power.

And it seems to me to be based on the idea that no harm or damage done to an individual man will ever count because the person making this statement seems to think that in this world today there is no woman with enough real power to hurt a man.

Am I missing this? Is the idea that women are too weak and ineffectual to harm any man in any way we should actually care about because all the people at the top of society are men?

Cause if so, I hate to say this, but there are some hard core sexist motherfuckers out there with a higher opinion of womens capabilities than you.

Edited 2019-05-25 13:49 (UTC)

men are inherently more violent than women, but in that case, have fun being wrong I guess.

Men absolutely murder and commit physical assualt at a higher rate than women. This is across cultures and even with the advent of more accessible means of killing, so the physicial advantage on average that men have over women means less.

Why do you think this is a universal trend, if it's not inherent?

I don't agree with the premise, btw. A pauper, living in the gutter, covered in rags and without anything to his name and no power can kill a king or an emperor. We wouldn't say "Oh it's not really murder because he didn't have anything, he didn't have any power so he couldn't have murdered the king." Doing evil to others is always evil, no matter what label you give it, and it remains evil regardless of your own societal or personal power.

Evil is always evil. Wrong is always wrong. And the idea of a wrong being less wrong because of how much a person has is the purest form of injustice.

Nah, I've never logged in, so don't worry about that. But you've done a lot of stuff where it's felt like you were covering your ass on the "I hate feminists" front.

ayrt: Possibly, but having experienced all that from family and partners in abusive ways, I'm under no obligation to stick around for the punchline.

You mean the way he tried to save Dany by convincing her that being a world-conquering sadistic nutbar was a bad idea?

I think the concepts stand better once you realize that Neo is probably a metaphor for Buddha and Kali, and the whole story arc is about Karma and bringing an end to the current Dharmic cycle. As science fiction, they probably should have stuck with humans as nodes in a massively parallel computing system.

so it's not what I actually said but what you think/Felt i was trying to say?

You see why that's bullshit, right?

I mean I don't expect to change you're mind or anything, but when I say "I hate some feminist ideas" - you could be inclined to take me at my word and assume that I just hate some of the ideas. If not, that's your call and I don't expect you to change your mind, but at this point I don't think I really have anything I could reasonably do to try and make you think differently of me, so I'm just gonna stop fighting you on this.

Oh, and I will also take you at your word that you're not the named user I suspected, but if the named user is reading this I wouldn't think any less of you, and I don't think you'd need to worry about copping any shit for coming at me directly on this site, so they could go anon if they want but really there wouldn't be any need to.

course your not. Jokes are supposed to make people laugh, if it doesn't fit you, you are well within ever right in the world to cut ties and walk away.

lol no

The fact that people actually think fathers should have a say in abortion is disgusting.

It was treason, which carries a death sentence.

Varys knew that and had made his peace with it.

I'm still waiting for you to prove your point.

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