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⌈ Secret Post #4544 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Because they were.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, as a queer person, I don't get the point or appeal of Rent.

[(Anonymous)]

They are, but I just love the music

[(Anonymous)]

Hated the music. Some guy in our department played it constantly. And the voice majors never shut the fuck up about it.

[(Anonymous)]

One of them kills a dog.

[(Anonymous)]

I love Rent, but that doesn't mean that the characters aren't mostly horrible people.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. Most of them are such weirdly entitled assholes...

[(Anonymous)]

How dare we not be able to live for FREE in our friend's building FOREVER?

[(Anonymous)]

That's the one thing they're actually justified about considering they had an agreement. It'd be one thing if Benny were to say "hey this isn't working out, you need to either start paying rent or move out by [reasonable point in the future]" but what he actually says is "what agreement?" in an attempt to muscle his old pals into stopping an inconvenient... whatever the hell it is Maureen's doing.

He was stuck between pissing off his friends and pissing off his bosses, and I don't think coming down on the side of keeping a steady paycheck is the damning action the show thinks it does, but he did fuck over Mark and Roger in a specific way that it makes sense for them to be angry about, there.

[(Anonymous)]

Serious question. Did you watch a different adaptation? I thought it was pretty clear in the original Broadway version that Benny wasn't exactly the good guy in the rent situation.

[(Anonymous)]

True of a lot of us, I think. At twenty it's like "woot down with the man!" In your thirties you realize "the man" was actually trying to help a bad situation, even if he could've been less smug about it.

[quirkytizzy]

Precisely this.

[(Anonymous)]

lease > rent

[(Anonymous)]

But everyone has AIDS!

[(Anonymous)]

It was written in the mid-90s and was set in 1989-90. If you didn't live that time, it might not make any sense. In fact, it won't. There was nothing like this at all on Broadway. The idea of talking about AIDS - let alone a musical about it - was groundbreaking. Not to mention the representation part of it. The characters are definitely flawed and that's kind of the point.

[(Anonymous)]

Fandom discourse on this is really weird:

Guy who eats and lobotomizes people while setting up a dubcon relationship with one of the cops he works with: Sexiest thing ever.

Guy who emotionally abuses students over his magic-school grudges and nice-guy relationship with a crush: Sexy woobie!

LGBTQ people having theatrically exaggerated drama in a gayborhood: The characters are horrible and I hate it.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not in the Hannibal fandom, but I'm pretty sure everyone agrees Hannibal is not a good dude.

[(Anonymous)]

Snape and Hannibal didn't kill any dogs.

[kutsuwamushi]

Well, first off, "fandom" isn't a person, it's a bunch of different people that all have different opinions and tastes. You can't go after someone for being a hypocrite based on what other people have said.

And second, you're ignoring the narrative framing within the media in question and ignoring the different role these media play in people's lives. Context matters a lot.

Personally, I don't like RENT because I think it's a hollow sort of representation that's held up to be something that it's not - both within the work itself and by many of its fans.

[(Anonymous)]

Snape is the most heroic character in the series.

[(Anonymous)]

neither mimi nor mark nor roger nor tom are lgbtq

[venusundae]

i was in middle school when the film came out, never seen a stage performance, which i am sure is a v different experience. but god baby gay past me was so into it and excited to be excited about rent and that most other people i was around appreciated it too. but now in my mid twenties i can't even fathom bothering to sit through the story ever again. i love asshole characters, but when the narrative is trying to tell me they are the good guys it's not even fun lmao.

still think a lot of the music is pretty or fun or both, tho! one time i got finagled into singing 'take me or leave me' w an acquaintance at karaoke and she was so excited and said i legit made her week and so whenever i accidentally ended up in the same bar as her i ended up singing it, and my friend group knows it's "our" song now, whoops. honestly just hoping it never comes up in conversation that i just. rly don't like rent actually

[(Anonymous)]

I think the best thing to sum this up is by watching Lindsay Ellis' video on the topic: "RENT - Look Pretty and Do As Little as Possible: A Video Essay". Another good one is the book that is mentioned on the video entitled, "Stagestruck: Theater, AIDS, and the Marketing of Gay America".

No one had ever seen a musical like this. The only musical I can think of that broke new ground by having LGBT characters in it was 1983's "La Cage aux Folles". However, the characters in "La Cage" didn't have AIDS, but instead it's more about self-identification iirc, hence the 11 o'Clock Number, "I Am What I Am". That musical won the Tony, beating Stephen Sondheim's overlooked-but-studied-in-theatre-appreciation-courses masterpiece, "Sunday in the Park with George" (it at least won a Pulitzer. That's better than a Tony in my book). Jerry Herman threw the biggest shade on Stephen Sondheim after accepting the win though by saying "a simple, hummable tune is still alive on Broadway".

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think they were ALL horrible-- not irredeemably so-- but I remember being so into it in college and liking MOST of them, and then seeing a local stage version as an adult and just...

Like, I love the songs between Mimi and Roger, but everything about their relationship is so upsetting to me, all the friends are really unreasonable, everyone is a dick to at least one other person or does SOMETHING stupid...

And Mark is one of the more relatable characters but I don't understand why he won't talk to his mother, who seems loving and supportive??

(you know what, though, as an adult I am way more sympathetic to Benny)