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Fandom and fascism

(Anonymous) 2019-07-10 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Any thoughts on this?
https://a-russian-spy-whale.tumblr.com/post/186058358716/can-you-explain-how-fandom-is-fascist-and-how-it

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(Anonymous) 2019-07-10 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Anon question: "Can you explain how fandom is fascist and how it is a prophylactic against other strains of fascism "


Ok, you have to understand that what I’m about to do is basically puking a whole lot of theory into your mouth. this isn’t the final word on the matter, and you should probably do your own reading on the matter.

As always for this subject I recommend Adorno’s Stars Down to Earth, Adorno and Horkheimer’s Dialectic of Enlightenment, and rubbing a different part of the same elephant is Felix Guattari’s Three Ecologies. A really good treatment of Nietzsche that isn’t the usual juvenilia from like Vox or whatever comes from Tracy Strong’s Nietzsche and the Politics of Transfiguration. But Ecce Homo is a good quick read, and hilarious, too imho.

Again, this isn’t the final word on the matter, and no one should mistake my recommendation that you begin by trying to read these for an endorsement of everything these writers ever said about everything ever and always.

As for my take: When Nietzsche said that Europeans killed g*d and that in so doing, man (as Europeans conceived “man”) had to become worthy of the deed, perhaps become not just godlike but beyond godlike, he was saying a lot more than just presaging incendiary trolling in 280 characters or less.

Glossing over a whole lot (because again, not the final word): G*d was thrown into the arena of discourse and everything that was holy, which once anchored us and our relationship to the world and each other, was lost. What took its place was humanism. “our” ancestors stopped believing in G*d for the same reason we’re all a bunch of liberal humanists: without really knowing why or how.

What does this have to do with fandom, fascism, etc.?

Well, with fandom we don’t even have to probe all that deep to see how fandom has taken the place of where G*d used to be. Fandom uses some of the same words (canon) to describe the same processes that beset Christianity throughout its history: different interpretations of texts begot legions of followers of varying piety. True, “we”’ve yet to start burning heretics of our ‘ships and headcanons, but it’s not for lack of will (see: the death threats fandoms trade in not just among themselves, but toward authors, actors, performers, producers, etc.).

[Again, not the final word; yes there’s lots of glossing over to keep an already long post from becoming too long; no i am not trying to cover every argument, counterargument, interpretation or facet of anything. that’s why i recommended you read some of the sources.]

This is where fascism comes in - again, not the final word, but in brief. Fascists have their own ships and canons, but unlike fandom, they actually strive to acquire the ships and cannons needed to effect their interpretations of the world into reality. No fandom is going to actually grab their wands, their tardises or whatever the fuck and try and take state power to force CW to let Destiel finally fuck. The liberal bourgeoisie’s culture industry has (for now) sufficiently satiated their hunger.

But fascists are (or rather have) taken state power to start genociding.

Considering the prophylactic phrase for a moment: absent g*d (again, that’s over), without mass culture, what do you think fandummers would be doing if they didn’t have drama over slashfics to preoccupy them? Where would all that libidinal energy go if the stream of slop from marvel or netflix were cut off?

If all this masscult weren’t dulling the swinery throughout fandom into accepting their miserable, alienated lives in exchange for another marvel movie or another pokemon game as late capitalism necrotizes around them, who do you think is waiting with a ready-made answer for why they can’t enjoy their precious shows, games or movies?

I didn’t even get to the “genius of the heart” that Nietzsche talks about in Ecce Homo as THE figure that will exemplify our times, so I’ll just leave with this quote and a defiance of Nietzsche’s request that you don’t try and guess who he’s talking about in this passage. Instead, consider all the faces that float into your imagination as you read this, whether they’re “real,” from a work of fiction or somewhere in between; or whether they’re self-help gurus, tv show characters, reality show characters, or politicians:

“The genius of the heart as is possessed by that great solitary, the divine tempter and born Pied Piper of consciences whose voice knows how to descend into the inmost depths of every soul, who neither utters a word nor casts a glance in which some seduction is not to be found, a part of whose mastery is that he understands the art of seeming—not what he is but that which will bind his followers to press ever more closely upon him, to follow him ever more enthusiastically and whole-heartedly. The genius of the heart who makes the loud and self-conceited hold their tongues and listen, who polishes all rough souls and gives them a new desire to savour—the desire to lie placid as a mirror that the deep heavens may be reflected in them. The genius of the heart which teaches the clumsy and too hasty hand to hesitate and grasp more tenderly; which scents the hidden and forgotten treasure, the pearl of goodness and sweet spirituality beneath thick black ice and is a divining rod for every grain of gold long buried and imprisoned in much mud and sand. The genius of the heart whose touch enriches all, not ‘blessed” and overcome, not as though favoured and crushed by the good of others; but richer in himself, fresher to himself than before, opened up, breathed upon and warmed by a thawing wind; more uncertain perhaps, more delicate, more fragile, more bruised, but full of hopes as yet unnamed, full of a new will and striving, full of a new unwillingness and resistance”.

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Re: Fandom and fascism

(Anonymous) 2019-07-11 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
My thoughts are that I hate that person. And, they are a freshman in college who just took their first philosophy class.

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(Anonymous) 2019-07-11 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
Looks like a giant wall of text vomited out by a pretentious uni student eager to show the world just how clever they find themself. They're white, American, and they're first night away at college was the most traumatic thing to happen to them and now they're even more woke to the suffering in the world.

Uh, nope.

(Anonymous) 2019-07-11 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
Fandom isn't fascist. Some people who are in fandom are probably fascists. Anything can be used as a tool for any ideology, as long as you get enough people on board.

Earliest ships

(Anonymous) 2019-07-10 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
For me, Spike/Buffy, Goku/Vegeta, SasuNaru, Harry/Draco and Aladdin/Mozenrath
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[personal profile] philstar22 2019-07-10 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Han/Leia, Jafar/Jasmine, Picard/Crusher, Kira Nerys/Odo, Harry/Hermione, and Tom Riddle/Harry (my very first slash ship way back in the day). Han/Leia was probably my very first ship.
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bur: It's an octopus with a bat from Pirate Baby's Cabana Street Fight 2006. (Default)

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[personal profile] bur 2019-07-10 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh god, I’m having Gundam Wing flashbacks.

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(Anonymous) 2019-07-10 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I think Madmartigan/Sorsha was my first ship.

Damn, I've been into enemy ships since I was a kid.
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[personal profile] tabaqui 2019-07-10 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Mary/Colin/Dickon from The Secret Garden, Starbuck and Apollo from Battlestar Galactica (the 1970's edition), and then 'fandom' fandom (ie: the internet) Harry/Snape and Spike/Xander.
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Re: Earliest ships

[personal profile] kaijinscendre 2019-07-11 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
Vegeta/Bulma for sure.
type_wild: (Together - Shouma and Himari)

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Jesse/James.

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Pikachu/Ketchup

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(Anonymous) 2019-07-11 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
Mulder/Scully, various ones from soap operas (my mom watched when I was a kid and got me into them), various wrestler parings (watched with my brother), oh and a super random one, for whatever reason as a kid I really liked this show called Caroline in the City and shipped the main character Caroline with...a dude whose name I can't remember and am too lazy to look up. He wasn't her love interest, I think he was her coworker? or maybe her roommate? (IDK, I barely remember the show) who was secretly in love with her or something and I have no idea if they ever got together.

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nightscale: Starbolt (WoW: Ysera)

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[personal profile] nightscale 2019-07-11 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
Vegeta/Bulma.
Rick/Evie.
Sam/Jack(SG1).
Toadie/Dee(Neighbours, lmao of all the programs I shipped something from xD).
Raimundo/Kimiko.
Oh! Sheridan/Delen.

And probably a crap-ton more I can't remember because I've rooted for couples to get together in shows/books for as long as I can remember.
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Draco x Bowen - Dragonheart

Goliath x Elisa - Gargoyles

Optimus x Megatron - Transformers

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(Anonymous) 2019-07-11 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
Ringworld furry erotica on usenet. Fun times.

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(Anonymous) 2019-07-11 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
Shit, I have no idea. I basically shipped everything that moved when I was younger, probably shipped some of the Teletubbies too, and I was terrified of that show;; (still am tbh...)

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(Anonymous) 2019-07-11 08:31 am (UTC)(link)
First pairing I had shippy feelings about: Maria/Georg VonTrapp from TSOM. I saw TSOM for the first time when I was like eight, and I remember having shippy feels about them and not knowing what they even were.

First pairing I got fannish about: Buffy/Spike. So much more fucked up than my standard ships now, lol.

Great shipping videos on Youtube!

(Anonymous) 2019-07-11 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
https://youtu.be/XECGfay5rLE
Pearl and Rose, "Bury My Love"

https://youtu.be/DPl0CNGy5UY
Kylux, 'Friction'



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(Anonymous) 2019-07-11 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
Utensil and Anthy, Vampire Smile
https://youtu.be/Z0mvY12fDTE

Simon and Nathan from Misfits

https://youtu.be/u6a43g8zmk0

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[personal profile] kaijinscendre 2019-07-11 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Jaime and Brienne | You're A Good Man https://youtu.be/gWPAM8Auy3g

Now, a bunch of Steve/Bucky ones. Had to go thru my list to find my fav ones.

https://youtu.be/de0J3r45cVw
https://youtu.be/zJzMbJFux4w RAP MUSIC? IN MY FANVIDS? I wish there were more music genres used in fanvids. :(
https://youtu.be/m_Bx5OEj8TM
https://youtu.be/IOvEChg67bs Them beats matching the movements. :D

Ugh, I think I still have a SPN shipping playlist but not sure if I want to go down that dark path again.
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Goku Vegeta ones

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Lion King 2019

(Anonymous) 2019-07-11 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
https://twitter.com/cartoonbrew/status/1149108647676522497

Comparison between the two animated versions of The Lion King.

I have to say, the new version looks really really weird to me. Like it doesn't seem like the animals are singing. Almost uncanny valley.

Your thoughts?

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Am I living in bizarro world or something?

(Anonymous) 2019-07-11 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
So I just finished a book recommended by a coworker. I didn't like the book for a whole bunch of reasons, but one of them is this:

"He was playing the race card. I wasn’t a racist. I had exactly one black friend, a few Hispanic friends, and I’m pretty sure that I had some Native American blood running through my veins."

Yes, that's an actual quote, used by the main character as an argument for harassing a black guy who did nothing wrong, who a page later she wishes prison rape on (and much later you find out she physically assaulted him, when, again, there was no evidence he had done anything wrong).

Coworker asked what I thought of the book, and I said I disliked it for multiple reasons, one of which was that the main character, who we're clearly supposed to like/root for, was racist. She seemed shocked and asked what I was talking about. I gave her the above reasons. Her reponse was that I was being "too sensitive and PC" and that it wasn't racist. None of the reviews, on either GoodReads or Amazon, mentioned anything about it.

Am I living in an alternate reality or something? I thought the "I have a black friend" argument was pretty well established to be racist, but suddenly it's overly sensitive and PC? WTF?

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