[ SECRET POST #4592 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4592 ⌋

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[Wonderfalls]







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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You're acting like the series bible said she was straight and the show changed it

[(Anonymous)]

Season 3 scripts paired her romantically with Steve. That was changed after filming for eps 4 and 5.

https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/maya-hawke-stranger-things-robin-coming-out-1203276425/

[(Anonymous)]

So basically you're saying that Will is written as gay, but they could change their minds and degay him

[(Anonymous)]

We interpret what gets shown on the screen after thousands of person-hours of production and post-production work. Scripts and Bibles are just the early parts of that process.

[(Anonymous)]

It shows their intent when writing the character. You're saying you want them to change their minds and degay him.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

I think the point is that what shows up on screen is what shows up on screen. There's a fundamental difference between para-material, no matter how interesting it is, and what actually makes it into the show.

[(Anonymous)]

Their intent and a quarter might buy you a cheap candy.

If writers choose to beat around the bush with ambiguity, viewers are entitled to come to their own interpretations. And after decades of LGBTQ headcanons, often of explicitly straight characters, it seems really stupid to get all territorial and pissy about ace headcanons.

[(Anonymous)]

That’s like the people who say they should change tiana’s race since they did ariel

[(Anonymous)]

No. It's really not.

[(Anonymous)]

You're saying that headcanoning straight characters as gay is the same as headcanoning gay characters as asexual.

The difference is, there isn't exactly a dearth of straight characters.

[(Anonymous)]

No, I meant that headcanoning characters whose sexuality isn't specifically stated as gay or asexual is equally valid. If the character is gay in canon, then that's kind of iffy, but there are asexual people who are romantically interested in the same gender so I don't think it's awful or anything. Like, for example, an asexual person who's interested in the same gender sees this canon gay character who clearly likes the same gender but doesn't seem particularly interested in sex itself and identifies with them and thinks "hey, maybe this character is like me!"...idk, I just don't think that's some horribly problematic headcanon, but that's just me.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Yeah, as an asexual person in a relationship with someone of the same gender, I don't get AYRT's continuing to discuss this as though asexual and gay are always mutually exclusive labels.

Unless the asexual headcanoners are insisting asexual means aromantic asexual. If they mean that, then AYRT should specify that, because that's a different thing. Aro-ace is mutually exclusive with gay.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, which character are we talking about here that's textually gay?

[(Anonymous)]

In canon he's not interested in dating girls. That can be interpreted in a variety of ways, including that in canon he's the survivor of rapey body horror. A definitive artistic statement about Will's sexuality has been left open for a future season. And I'm really not inclined to give producers cookies for ambiguity after 150 years of it.

And ace and LGBTQ people can empathize over compulsory heterosexuality. If someone reads Will as ace because he's uncomfortable with that, go for it.

[(Anonymous)]

You do realize that:

1. Will isn't a real person, just a fictional character shown to us after thousands of hours of TV production, and he doesn't really have a sexuality beyond the work as streamed on Netflix.

2. A headcanon doesn't really do anything other than satisfy that person in the audience. Shipping Kirk/Spock for decades doesn't make TOS magically gay. Racebending The Princess and the Frog strikes me as in poor taste, but it's doubtful Disney will indulge that.

[(Anonymous)]

And yet shipping gay characters with someone of the opposite sex is generally frowned upon in the fandom, even though none of them are real

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a middle-aged queer with the same birth year as fictional Will, grew up in small-city Indiana like fictional Will, played D&D, rode bikes past the same Reagan/Bush lawn signs, was friends with a Mike who had the same Millennium Falcon, had a CB radio, etc., etc..

So if an ace person takes a look at Will and says, "Hey, I experienced something similar to that."

I'm going to say, "Fuck yeah. That decade sucked for many of us. It still sucks for some kids today." Hell, if a straight person connects with Will because of the poverty or abusive dad, I'm going to say "fuck yeah."