[ SECRET POST #4614 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4614 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

and this is what i mean when i say the term 'anti' is now fucking useless, bc ppl want to lump it onto everyone who's even mildly critical of fandom spaces and equate them all with fascist right-win nutjobs.

bc being bothered by actual kiddie-porn makes you some right-wing conservative according to you fucking weirdos.

also: please stop using the word censorship, none of you fickwits actually seem to KNOW what it means. it's not ppl on the internet not wanting to read your fic/interact with your content. it's when a government actively interferes and controls what kind of media you can consume/information you can access, some random fuckos on the internet do not have the ability to do this in any way bc you are still completely free to post whatever you want.

[(Anonymous)]

you know there's a difference between people not wanting to read your fic/interact with your content on the internet (which is fine, obviously. No one should be forced to read/interact with anything) and saying "I don't like this therefore it shouldn't exist" and actively campaign for those things to not exist.

and yeah, censorship is the government shutting down content. Do you really think people that are antis and want things to be regulated to their liking aren't pro-censorship? like wtf do you think they want?

[feotakahari]

I recently saw someone accused of being a “pedo” for criticizing TERFs. This led to death threats and harassment against their husband and daughter, who weren’t even involved in the initial comment. Forgive me for being skeptical that this is really about “kiddie porn.”

[(Anonymous)]

Are you suggesting that this is the case universally and all condemnations of child porn are about defending TERFs, or do you think that there are some cases where criticizing and defending child porn is actually the issue at hand?

[feotakahari]

I don’t really care. We have and enforce laws against photos of naked children. I’m not particularly concerned about drawings of naked children as long as no actual child was being drawn. I do care about harassment campaigns because those are clearly causing harm.

(To be clear, I do still think Piers Anthony is a blight upon literature, but there’s a difference between a New York Times bestselling pedophile and someone’s underage prostitution Supernatural AU.)

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, all of this. *claps*

[(Anonymous)]

You're subscribing to the argument of 'one person went through an admittedly terrible thing (and I agree that was indeed, shocking what happened to them!) and therefore everyone who argues in the same general area wants to harass and dox others.'
I personally do have an issue with drawings of naked children and people writing underage porn. Your arguing that it's not a 'real child' so it's 'fine'. Yes, some people are writing the porn because it's a way of dealing with their own issues and I'm totes for that. I also don't have a problem if someone does a naked picture of a child if it isn't sexualised. I do if it is.
But the fact is other people are writing this stuff and drawing this stuff because they are getting off on it.
And I don't subscribe to the notion of 'Draw a picture of a child to get off on or write a fic of a child getting raped so you won't do it in reality.'

[(Anonymous)]

Dear lord. So where do I need to submit evidence of my own abuse so my fiction is deemed okay with you?

[(Anonymous)]

But the fact is other people are writing this stuff and drawing this stuff because they are getting off on it.

Since you do not know these writers IRL, you have no way of knowing which are Category A and which are Category B. So you as a reader have choices:

1. Stop reading questionable fic.
2. Investigate each writer of questionable fic to ascertain the author's motive for writing it.
3. Read, enjoy, and move along.

[(Anonymous)]

You're missing the obvious fourth option, which is also totally valid:

4. Avoid interacting with everyone who writes this kind of thing, regardless of their motive for writing it.

I'm not AYRT, but that's what I do. I don't harass. I side-eye, silently, and I avoid.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

See, I have no issue with this. If people could just all adhere to this simple goddamned rule we wouldn't have a problem. There's tons of stuff I side-eye, and hell yes I will silently judge someone for being into something I find gross, but like... I just don't follow them? I block their name and stop thinking about it? It's seriously that easy.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that makes you a right-wing conservative. I think stamping out materials that display or promote harm to IRL children is a good, moral thing.

But I don't think a fictional story concerning fictional children (when appropriately tagged, because it's NOT something you should just post randomly where anyone could stumble across it without knowing what they're about to read) is promoting or displaying it. Can fiction influence reality? Of course, but it's not going to be because of someone's pokemon fic. And equating the two does nothing to solve or address the first and does create harm with trying to suppress the second, because it opens the door suppress other things. When Strikethrough happened, conservative groups got a bunch of fandom and support communities shut down through fear of the first.

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[(Anonymous)]

This. This place is unsettling with how far it'll go to defend fucked up shit. Even more alarming that the user base skews towards older while they defend any and all fiction involving sexualizing children. I was cool with stuff like lolicon when I was a kid who didn't know any better, but ffs, no sane adult should defend that shit.

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[(Anonymous)]

Stop replying to yourself.

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[(Anonymous)]

First commenter isn't me, but okay. Stay mad?

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[(Anonymous)]

Nah, don't have to, you're doing a good enough job at that for all of us.

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[(Anonymous)]

Okay.

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[(Anonymous)]

Neverrrr!





-random anon who saw this comment in flat view and didn't even check what you guys are arguing about.

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[(Anonymous)]

Curse you, evil flat-viewer!

Wait, I confused that with flat-earther, you're good, move along.

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[(Anonymous)]

How do you know that I'm not a flat-earther too?

When that guy went up on a plane the bubble on his level tool thingy stayed right in the middle so it proves the Earth is flat! That's definitely how that works!/s

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[(Anonymous)]

I hate to break it to you, but you're still a kid who doesn't know any better.

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody would even care if the only thing antis did is not read fic they found morally wrong or didn't look at art they found morally wrong.

The problem starts when they decide to harass people for writing or drawing said things, even if they are not against any laws.
The moment some antis decided that AO3 should be shut down for not censoring FICTIONAL content about FICTIONAL characters is where I draw the line.

The moment someone messaged a writer telling them that the government should take away their children and that they will be reporting their fic to authorities because one fictional character in their fic was 17 while having sex with a character that was twentysomething,is where I decided that even if someone somewhere in the anti movement had good intentions, it's rotten and harmful to real people.

And all those people condoning sending a fan cookies with blades, or was it nails, in them because that fan created content for a pairing with an underage fictional character only confirmed that the whole movement is rotten.

And let's not forget that 90% of it is fake concern covering up shipwars. See voltron for the most disgusting and volatile example of antis harassing really people over fictional characters because their favorite pairing wasn't canon.

Everyone is bothered by child porn, not only antis, but FICTIONAL characters are not real children and equating them is harmful and offensive to REAL csa victims.

The reason why I see antis to be similar to alt-right is the inability to see nuance, parroting of phrases and throwing in of buzzwords that have no meaning in the context and holding onto their own ideals above the lives of REAL people, as long as the people are on the OTHER side.

Also calling people dimwits didn't make up for the lack of anything relevant in your comment.

And I am amused that you don't see the irony of calling people weirdos while posting an anonymous comment on a fandom secret community.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not a useless term. It's very clear what "anti" means, and it's only people like you that claim people mean "anyone mildly critical of fandom spaces".

Literally, no one is saying that being bothered by pornography of actual children makes you alt-right. You are saying that. No one else. What people are actually saying is that porn of fictional children is not in any way, shape, or form equivalent to real pedophilia.

On top of that, no one is claiming that censorship means "people not wanting to read or interact with your content". You are claiming it, and it is not correct. However, harassment campaigns against particular artists and trying to force entire groups of people to stop producing certain kinds of content because they've deemed it morally unjust is censorship, and that is what is actually being talked about.

Either you are severely misinformed and ignorant or you're being deliberately obtuse.