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⌈ Secret Post #645 ⌋

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101.

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102.

[X-Men]

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103.

[Katekyo Hitman Reborn!]

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104.

[The Famous Five; George]

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105.

[Death Note]

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106.

[Cirque du Freak]

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107.

[Nana]

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108.

[fanfiction, fanfiction.net]

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109.

[Star Trek]

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110.

[The Flash]

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111.

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112.

[Winona Ryder]

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113.

[Emperor's New Groove]

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114.

[Bokurano]

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115.

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116.

[Blackadder goes Fourth (sic)]

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117.

[Neon Genesis Evangelion/Power Puff Girls; Asuka/Princess]

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118.

[Katekyo Hitman Reborn!]

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119.

[Final Fantasy VII]

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120.

[Apollo/Dionysus; Nietzsche]

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121.

[Batman]

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122.

[Yaoi fangirlism]

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123.

[The Little Mermaid]

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124.

[Supernatural]

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125. [broken]

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126.

[Fanfiction]

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127.

[Chrono Cross/Chrono Trigger]

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128.

[Final Fantasy VII]

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129.

[Richard Dawkins]

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130.

[Blue's Clues]

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131.

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132.

[Fanfiction]

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133.

[Super Junior]

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134.

[XCKD, webcomic]

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135.

[Leverage/Final Fantasy VII: Before Crisis]

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136.

[Supernatural]

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137.

[Bandom]

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138.

[Twilight]

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139.

[Tenga Toppa Gurren Lagann]

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140.

[Harry Potter/Daniel Radcliffe]

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141.

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142.

[Charmed; Piper & Cole]

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143.

[The Office]

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144.

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145.

[Project Runway]

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146.

[Kuroshitsuji/Katekyo Hitman Reborn!]

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147.

[His Infernal Majesty]

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148.

[Jak & Daxter]

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149.

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150.

[House MD]

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151.

[Star Wars, Emperor Palpatine]

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152.

[Naruto, NaruSasuNaruwhatever]

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153.

[Wonderfalls]

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154.

[Samba de Amigo]

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155.

[Batman; Riddler/Scarecrow]

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156.

[Smallville]

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157.

[Pokemon]

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158.

[Fringe]

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159.

[Doctor Who]

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160.

[Code Geass]

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161. [repeat]

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162.

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163.

[Avatar: the Last Airbender]

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164.

[Code Geass]

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165.

[Fandom; Roleplaying]

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166.

[Veronica Mars]

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167.

[Bleach]

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168.

[Hellsing]

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169.

[Ace Attorney]

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170.

[Hugh Laurie]

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171.

[Shin Megami Tensei]

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172.

[20th Century Boys]

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173.

[House MD]

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174.

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175.

[Digimon]

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176.

[Power Rangers; Alpha]

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177.

[Fanfiction; Battle Royale]

Notes:

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for your response to 101, you have risen in my estimation. that was perfect.

and to your response to 122.

you lost me on 132. how is someone responding to the hate that is sometimes directed to fanfic writers 'uninformed'? or have I missed something?

then, you found me again on 152.

Thank you for the mostly favourable review!

I might be reading 132 wrong. I read it as if it was being said by someone who is as adamant about fanfiction being a very serious art as the person who says it's a pointless endeavour. I'm just tired of the fight over it. It's fanfiction. If people think it's pointless, that ultimately doesn't matter, because no one is going to stop their hobby on account of it being pointless.

ah. ok. I guess I didn't read the secret that way, so what you say makes sense.

I agree that I'm also tired over the pointless argument. LOL

I don't think it's a very serious art, I think it's a valid form of writing which can have as much literary and artistic worth as any other kind.

Well of course it's a valid form of writing. But all forms of writing are pretty much valid, aren't they?

I don't think fanfic is art and I would hate to compare a literary and artistic fanfic to a literary and artistic book for a couple of reasons. One is that you're comparing the exploratory to the wholly creative, so you wind up comparing apples and oranges.

I don't think the dividing line is so easy to see. The best fanfic is better than some published junk that uses public domain characters (there are a lot of these on Dracula, Jane Austen stories, and other out of copyright works). Then there are examples like The Wide Sargasso Sea that's a prize winning novel so it's not likely a lot of fanfic lives up to its standards, but when people say something can't be artistic and creative and original because it's using characters someone else created, they never have an answer for that except "that's public domain."

I'm sure it's true that there's plenty of fanfic that's better than published and award-winning books, but at the same time, I don't think that proves anything except that books are often tremendously overrated.

I don't think fanfic is art and I would hate to compare a literary and artistic fanfic to a literary and artistic book for a couple of reasons. One is that you're comparing the exploratory to the wholly creative, so you wind up comparing apples and oranges.

Fun fact: a not insignificant part of the literature written before the advent of copyright pretty much fit the criteria to qualify as a fanfic. The Divina Commedia? Self-insert crossover/RPF. The Aeneid? Completely derivative from Homer. Ariosto's Orlando Furioso? A sequel to Boiardo's unfinished Orlando Innamorato. Ovid's Metamorphoses? Based on mythology. Romeo and Juliet? Do you think they were originally Shakespeare's idea?

You can argue that comparing the exploratory to the creative is comparing apples to oranges, but we've already been lumping apples and oranges together for more than a millennium. We call it literature.

Now, what you find on fanfiction.net is obviously not art, but the process of crafting a story based on someone else's character's/stories is a creative process that's been around (and considered perfectly valid art) for millennia.

Unless you want to argue that Shakespeare and Dante were hacks, I guess.

Unless you want to argue that Shakespeare and Dante were hacks, I guess.

I might. Sounds like it would be a fun challenge.

Actually, I recognize that all of those bodies are derivative, but not that they meet the criteria for fanfiction. I think that derivative fiction and fanfiction are two different things, in the same way a fic is different from an allusion.

Fanfic is written in a different culture, with a different purpose, for a different audience, and from a different kind of medium. Shakespeare might have lifted his plotline and basic concept for Romeo and Juliet, but that's not what fanfics do. You still can't compare the two.

See, I don't think fanfiction is inherently much different from derivative fiction in general. The difference is, as you say, the culture surrounding it, but just because fanfiction readers generally expect a fic to follow certain standards doesn't mean that it has to. As far as I'm concerned, as long as it's based in some way on the canon, it's fair game to post if on FFnet.

Then I'd agree with you that the issue is that you're using a much more liberal definition of fanfic than I am.

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