[ SECRET POST #4621 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4621 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think you are supposed to like him.

[(Anonymous)]

tell that to *checks notes* all of Star Wars fandom

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt - "like" doesn't necessarily mean approving of the character in a moral sense, it often means that people find the character interesting and/or compelling. And the audience is definitely supposed to find Kylo Ren interesting compelling, otherwise the franchise wouldn't bother to give him so much screen time.

Also, if you think the Star Wars franchise doesn't deliberately create villains you're supposed empathize with on some level, you're not paying attention. I'm not even a fan and I know that.

[(Anonymous)]

""like" doesn't necessarily mean approving of the character in a moral sense,..."

Of course if we're talking about reasonable people that's true. Unfortunately, this is fandom, and "like" most frequently means "this character is a secret sweetie and just needs some good fantasy loving to be reformed."

Even in the normal, not bugfuck crazy fandom sense, saying the one "likes" Kylo Ren, carries the implication that he's just a dude one would like to have coffee with, and not the kind of toxic personality that would require saintly powers of psychological stability to tolerate. Generally we say we "like" the story instead. One can love the story's development of a complex villain without saying that they're "likable."

[(Anonymous)]

I think the most common sense in which fandom people "like" Kylo Ren is that they want to fuck his brains out, and we should be careful about drawing any broader conclusions than that.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, shippers gonna ship. But that's not what the movies say. TLJ even has an authorial mouthpiece in the form of Luke Skywalker, saying "dude, that's fucked up."