[ SECRET POST #4680 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4680 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Superstore]


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03.
[12 Angry Men (1957/1997)]


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04.
[Deacon's erotic dance from "What We Do in the Shadows"]


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05.
[Mystery Science Theater 3000]


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06.
[The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel]


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07.
[All Rise]











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Comments

[ninefox]

tbh I'm very gently weirded out that you normally don't ship het but still give a fuck what TPTB say/what canon endgame is

[(Anonymous)]

LOL, this! TPTB have never determined my shipping preferences.

[(Anonymous)]

It makes sense to me to care more about TPTB when it comes to het ships, because well, there’s a pretty god shot it will happen in canon. Even if it’s not the original plan, if the het pairing has on-screen chemistry there’s a decent chance it’ll get written in.

Whereas there’s almost no point in caring about canon when it comes to slash ships, because 99% of the time it’s never going to happen, no matter how much sense it makes for the story or how much chemistry the pairing has.

[ninefox]

Yes? Obviously? But that's a general trend, not an individual person's habitual levels of canon/creator deference.

But OP says they don't normally ship het, so I don't know why this person would suddenly start to care about all the supposed barriers for this particular het ship when they're used to shipping things even more unlikely, presumably quite happily. Unless they've mostly been in delusional queerbaity type fandoms like Sherlock and Teen Wolf, or something, but I associate "TPTB" as an acronym mostly with older fans. So it's a mystery.

Like, I'm not judging them. I wish them well with their ship. I'm just confused why they're bothered.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - This seems obvious to me. Of course you care more about canon when there's a chance it might give you what you want. If there's no chance, you may as well be indifferent to it.

Of course I want my ships to be canon. I just know most of them won't be, so there's no point in pining for it to happen. But if there's a real chance it might happen, you bet I'm going to be paying attention.

[ninefox]

But OP either thinks there's a real chance or they don't. If there is, then cool. And if not....they're used to slash ships, they shouldn't think it's terrible and secret-worthy to be shipping (gasp!) already married people the creators don't endorse!

I feel like I'm watching a mime build an invisible box around themselves. "Oh no, the ship won't work for x and y and z....how can I possibly...." But like. There's no box. Because it's fandom. And I'd expect a slash fan to have internalized that.

"Of course I want my ships to be canon" - no, not of course. I don't....care that much. Canon almost always fucks things up. I never care that much about what's canon. Either the writer is good enough that I trust them to sell me on whatever they're going for, or they're going to do something I disagree with in which case I get to grab their toys and run. And I feel like pre-Twoof (or maybe pre-SPN??? it got weird) slash fandom largely agreed on that.

Like, I know people like you exist. But I wouldn't expect someone who "didn't usually ship het" to invest any emotional energy into caring about canon on that level.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

I can't think of any het pair I think I'd "ship" but as someone who ships a lot of gay pairs, I tend to avoid getting invested in shows where relationships play a huge part (like a teenage show with a lot of dating for example) or shows with established canon couples as protagonists.

So I guess the invisible line here makes perfect sense to me. Shipping a pair of unattached male friends who you know canon will never make a real couple within the show could be seen as a logical extension of canon-- ie, Bob and Joe may be friends now but only because they haven't realized their feelings for each other yet. There's nothing inherent in the canon that contradicts that per se. But if Bob and Joe are both married to women, that adds a layer of canon contradiction that my brain doesn't accept, unless at some point they both get divorced in canon. Infidelity is a major squick of mine, but apart from that, the fact that their relationship directly -contradicts- canon is much different from -building on- canon.

[ninefox]

Huhn.

That makes sense, I can see it! But I don't think I'd ever be able to really draw that line myself for most media, at least if it was ongoing at all. Because 95% of everything american TV, even if it's supposed to be about murder mysteries or space aliens or whatever, ends up dabbling in relationship bullshit and sudden love interests at some point. I just sort of expect the looming specter of compulsory heterosexuality to come crashing into any genre at any time, lol. At which point I'm ready to fend it off with extreme prejudice.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

I'm super late, but basically what the other person was saying. For slash ships, I know that they're not going to become canon so I just don't even worry about it at all and basically feel like anything goes. But with het, there's always the chance that it theoretically could, so I find myself basing my shipping on various canon-related factors (for example like whether either/both are in relationships or where the writers plan on taking things, as in this case).

It might not make logical sense, but for whatever reason, it's how my brain works lol.