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⌈ Secret Post #665 ⌋

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[Ecstasy by Irvine Welsh]

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[Philip Quast, Cleopatra]

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[Hell's Kitchen]

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[Tin Man]

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[Waldo/Carmen]

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[Code Geass]

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[Cowboy Bebop, Spike/Vicious]

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[The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou]

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[NOT a repeat; was resized]

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[Andy Samberg/Mark Wahlberg, SNL]

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[CSI: NY, Yugioh]

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[ER]

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[William Fichtner]

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[Yugioh GX]

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[Jeeves&Wooster]

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[Tantei Gakuen Q / Detective Academy Q]

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[batman RP]

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[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]

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[Axis Powers Hetalia]

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[Transformers]

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[Boku no Pico]

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[The Podge & Rodge Show]

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[Ron Weasley/Rupert Grint > Draco Malfoy/Tom Felton; LOL]

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[Stargate: Atlantis]

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[Supernatural]

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[Babylon 5]

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[Yakitate!! Japan, Summire 16 Sai!!, Addicted to curry]

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[Blue Beetle (Paco) and Avatar (Sokka)]

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101 - I kind of agree with you. For something that big to tear them apart, it took quite a short time to get them back together again. But... I guess in a way it's just the nature of their relationship. They can't really stay away from each other for too long, because they are just so co-dependent.

107 - Conservative Fangirl Coalition? L O FUCKING L.

109 - DDD: But Wilson is the BEST oncologist!!

113 - As a marine biologist who grew up on Cousteau documentaries, that movie makes me happy in my pants. XD

136 - Rupert is such a sweetheart! I <3 that boy. :D

139 - I thought about applying to UBC a ways back... kinda wish I did! XD That would be awesome, and I would totally have crazy fangirl moments, too, if I could go around and stand where they filmed.

145 - You know what? No. I am not upset that my slash ship was destroyed by the epilogue. What I was disappointed in was that JKR took all these strong characters and turned them into happily-ever-after stereotypes. Take Hermione. A powerful, independent, intelligent woman who certainly does not stand for nonsense and clearly would do whatever it takes to follow her dreams. What we got in the epilogue was Hermione The Housewife. Um, yeah, way to ruin an excellent character! And RON! Working at his brother's joke shop?? Whatever happened to all that angst about how he was constantly in his family's shadow and wanted to make something of himself, to stand out from the crowd? And then JKR saddles him with the exact opposite - essentially taking the place of Fred? Sure, Ron probably felt a lot of guilt about his brother's death, but wouldn't it have been much better for the character (and shown how much he had grown over the years), if he finally stepped out of the grasp his family has held on him his entire life? Do what he really wanted to do? The message that JKR seems to be giving us here is unsettling - that your own dreams can wait, can be put on hold indefinitely, in order to conform to societal or familial expectations. I don't appreciate that in the least. And that doesn't even begin to touch on how much JKR glossed over the fact that THESE KIDS LIVED THROUGH A WAR. You simply cannot go through what they did and come out of it perfectly hunky-dory. It just does not happen. It would have given the series so much more depth and meaning if we'd been shown the true aftermath of the battle - if we'd seen the characters slowly picking up the pieces of their lives, their minds, bodies, and spirits. Instead we got the sugary, watered down kiddy ending.

Didn't Rowling herself said that Hermione was working for the Ministry of Magic? She didn't end up as a housewife. But then again, that Rowling get for writing such a messy epilogue.

Exactly, If you spend half you interviews explaining things like that becasue you didn't write them in the book, you're doing it wrong.

Perhaps, but your latter point is also true. I guess I just resent the fact that JKR seems to want to perpetuate the "happy ending" of having a husband and a kid.

There's nothing wrong with showing a happy successful woman with a husband and a kid. Done in another light, it could be an extremely feminist message to see a high-powered woman like Hermione with a happy family.

I maintain that the trouble was the writing and not the content.

Oh, I agree that the quality of the writing was quite lacking. My comments on the content are, of course, my personal opinion. :)

THESE KIDS LIVED THROUGH A WAR. You simply cannot go through what they did and come out of it perfectly hunky-dory. It just does not happen.

Actually it can.

http://www.utexas.edu/news/2007/02/08/social_work/

That's not exactly what that article is about, although the study sounds absolutely fascinating (thanks for the link!) The Holocaust victims they are working with are all old and have had time to really work things through in their head. Harry, Ron, Hermione, Ginny, and everybody else are all kids during the story and still quite young during the epilogue - a very different situation. I just don't think they would have had enough time to go through the same mental processes that allow Holocaust victims to find peace today.

The kids were also not Holocaust victims. Not to say that what they went through wasn't awful, but I think that the level of control they managed to maintain over their lives, even when things were awful, lays a very solid foundation for their own personal healing.

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Very much agreed. What I wanted from the epilogue was a look at how the world had changed, all the repercussions political and personal, how the characters had picked themselves and their lives back up - I wanted a glimpse into the aftermath that felt real, and emotional, and important. Instead I got the names they gave their kids and who they ended up marrying.

You simply cannot go through what they did and come out of it perfectly hunky-dory. It just does not happen. It would have given the series so much more depth and meaning if we'd been shown the true aftermath of the battle - if we'd seen the characters slowly picking up the pieces of their lives, their minds, bodies, and spirits. Instead we got the sugary, watered down kiddy ending.

I agree with you right up to this part. It's true that it may not have been realistic, but I thought it was a testament to the strength of the charactgers that they were able to move on to something better. I'm sure they have problems, but I think showing a moment of happiness after all that turmoil was a perfectly acceptable literary decision as well as a very positive and meaningful one.

Again, if only it had been better written...

You make a good point, but I still would have preferred if we'd gotten even a little hint that the characters were in some way affected by what they went through. It seemed so white washed that it was practically a perfect fantasty-land.

First, get the fuck over it. It's been 18 months.

Second, to assume that just because you see Ginny and Hermione with a few kids that all they can possibly be are housewives is so fucking sexist I can't believe people actually go there. Misogynistic twats, all of you. People who hold this viewpoint make me want to projectile vomit. Here's a clue, shitwit: successful career women can have children, too.

Breathe.

There's a lot of animosity over this ending. There's no point in saying it's been eighteen months when you seem as angry as any embittered Harry/Draco shipper.

I also think you're missing the complaint - specifically that Hermione wasn't ever being referred to i nthe text as anything but a mother, when she was in fact a successful career woman. The complaint is not "Successful career women can't have children," but instead "Women with children can be successful career women." At least, that's the way I see it.

Thank you, that is exactly what I was talking about. The entire focal point of the epilogue was that everyone had married and had kids, and mentions of their careers were at most only passing thoughts.

Thanks for the namecalling. Nice to know you're so mature!

Why, arwydd, you should realize Anon is clearly crazy bitter about something else besides you. And apparently rabidly creative with curse words...

Rowling has said that the majority of wizarding children are home-educated. Specifically, by mommy. Off the top of my head, this link is all I could find, which I admit doesn't mention who stays home to educate the kids.

http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/faq_view.cfm?id=101

Also, nice to see the anon commenting, shitface. <3

Oh, it's probably just JK Rowling compensating for relegating alpha women to mommies at the train station. Anon is her disguise after that awful epilogue.

So since the epilogue didn't mention Hermione's career, it means that she has none? The epilogue didn't mention Harry's career either. Are male characters to be assumed to have a career unless it's mentioned they don't, while female characters are to be assumed to have no career unless it's mentioned they do?

The Epilogue did mention Harry's career, actually...

//Take Hermione. A powerful, independent, intelligent woman who certainly does not stand for nonsense and clearly would do whatever it takes to follow her dreams. What we got in the epilogue was Hermione The Housewife. Um, yeah, way to ruin an excellent character! //

I hate the idea that housewives had have no life and are shitty persons by default. And that a woman can't aspire to have children or a marriage if they wanna be strong career ladies. I mean, how dares Hermione have kids and get married ~~to someone else than Harry~~! She always has to be strong, witty, and willing to use magic if someones upsets her and her bushy hair!

... Shit like this is one of the reasons why us feminists are seen less as people who want genuine freedom for women and more as a bunch of idiots who are just too happy to bitch bitch bitch. I like to think that I can choose whether I stay at home or go outside to work without having others shouting "If you choose kids then you're a sell-out whore who sets back the women's movement, and if you choose work then think of the poor baaaby chiiiilluuuuunz!"

First off, I am not a Hermione/Harry shipper - but that's beside the point, as I thought I made it clear that my grievances were not due to any shipping violations.

I am not criticizing Hermione's marriage and child. I simply did not like how much of a focal point it was that everybody got married and had kids. It is such a ridiculous cliche, happily-ever-after ending that, in my personal opinion, ignores a lot of really interesting potential material - specifically the aftermath of the war.

ibroketuesday said it perfectly in a comment above: "What I wanted from the epilogue was a look at how the world had changed, all the repercussions political and personal, how the characters had picked themselves and their lives back up - I wanted a glimpse into the aftermath that felt real, and emotional, and important. Instead I got the names they gave their kids and who they ended up marrying. "

Good point: housewives, I suppose, can have good lives. At the same time, does Hermione ever strike you as someone who would find contentment raising the kids and doing the laundry? She's not particularly domestic.

Women who themselves aren't domestic tend to view a woman like Hermione who is more talented than her husband but has been implied to be a housewife (like s good wizarding mum, staying home to pre-educated the kids) as kind of a waste of talent. It strikes us as strange that someone so competitive and eager to succeed in the world would give it all up to stay home and dedicate herself to private life.

It's clearly a woman's choice, but seems OOC.

Interesting that you assume that awrydd meant housewives are terrible fuckwads by that statement.

The issue is not her housewivery persona. It is that she seems simplified down to this "little-wife/mommy" personality down from her "I'm-not-taking-shit-from-anybody, hell, I'm-changing-time-to-suit-my-class-needs" to "Oh, bye, honeyyyyy! I PACKED YOU LUNCH! CALL ME WHEN YOU GET THERE!" without the complimentary handle of her career in the Ministry and how she runs the house or truly geniunely cares for her kids. She just got knocked down to a passive role from an active role.

Obviously, strong career ladies can get married and have babies. And you know what? The idea that you think the public views feminists are "a bunch of idiots who are just too happy to bitch bitch bitch" in response to this articulate, reasonable comment makes me think that you've had too many run-ins with dumbfucks in your time. I'm sorry for that, but awrydd doesn't seem to be one of your opponents, comrade.

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