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[ SECRET POST #673 ]

⌈ Secret Post #673 ⌋

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Since when is marriage a right? Marriage is a stupid social institution that most of the times only brings poverty and despair.

Yeah, I know, it's just like friendship! Having friends only brings frustration and hurt!

(Cue people picking on my metaphor because friendship isn't religious (and of course all marriage is religious and always has been)! It's not a contract! It's not official the way marriage is!)

Marriage may be a stupid social institution, in your opinion, but it's one everybody has a right to, and it's been around a whole lot longer than our current governments, religions, and cultures.

Marriage shouldn't be an institution sanctioned by the government. Get rid of it and make it merely social terminology rather than law-based terminology.

And you can separate from your friends without giving them half of your belongings.

There's an entire branch of government (the judiciary) devoted to settling legal contracts between people. Maybe marriage needs to be reformed, but why is it so special that it alone among legal contracts should be exempted from government recognition?

Marriage serves no real purpose.

Hm.

I know there's a name for this kind of logical fallacy. You have no actual response to an argument, so instead you whip an opinion out of your ass and present it as (non-sequitur, even!) fact?

Anyone know what the term for that is?

fallacy of composition/extrapolation, I think

Just to be clear: are you actively trying to get civil marriage abolished in the US? Hell, have you ever mentioned the 'purposeless' of marriage outside of discussions about same-sex marriage?

Yes, I'm trying to get civil marriage abolished in the US. Not actively, I won't waste my energy there when there are more important things to accomplish like salvaging our economy and looking for a substitute of oil.

For the record, I don't support Amendment 8. I just find this whole fight stupid.

Is that you, Zrall?

I am so sick of the people who go "lol I don't support same-sex marriage because I don't support marriage in general." You think it's meaningless, fine, don't get married. But don't tell me I shouldn't be allowed to, because hey, maybe it does mean something to me. That probably makes me an idiot in your opinion, but I don't really care.

It also delivers specific government aid and financial rights to help support the family unit, whether it's just the husband/wife, wife/wife, or husband/husband, or them and a kid or two or three, whatever. It's also a cultural aspect, but for the most part, the most important thing to the LAW is what it denotes to the government that you and your partner are allowed to have, the taxes you have to pay, and various other socio-economic important things that I'm sure are also just 'stupid social institution that don't matter'.

I understand. But I also don't really care about such things myself. I don't support Amendment 8, I just find the "benefits" too small to be worth fighting for.

That's hilarious. They aren't small benefits at all, you know, besides being socially seen as equal by our fellow humans, but being able to have access to government services for spouses, not 'life partners'.

But I'm guessing you're not gay, so it really WOULDN'T matter to you,

You could easily fight for the benefits without fighting for marriage, though. That makes your point about "fighting for the benefits" kinda incongruent.

I'm gay, actually. Thank you very much for telling me what should matter to me and what should not.

How you can be gay and not see being thought of as someone that should be swept under the rug rather than seen as a normal and contributing member of society as a hurtful and very terrible thing honestly confuses me.

Probably because I don't plan on married anyway.

That's not the point. The point is, whether or not you, me, or whoever else plans on getting married, we should still have the right, and be seen as an equal person to the rest of society.

But since you don't plan on getting married, why should it matter, right?

a) My point is that marriage shouldn't be regulated by the government. Marriage is a ceremony.
b) They're not taking away your right to have a job. They're not taking away your right to own property. They're not taking any essential "freedom" out of you. I just don't understand this fight.

Okay, you still aren't getting my point that being married isn't just a word, whether you like it or not, it is actually something that not only MEANS something to some of us, but actually DOES give you many economical rights. Just because you're ~*edgy*~ really doesn't change that, as much as you try.

Why not just make Civil Union co-exist with Marriage, both with the same benefits?

Because that's still segregation of two different groups. Why should it be called something different? Why not just marriage?

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They're not taking away your right to have a job.

They used to be able to and people fought against that, why not fight against this?

Marriage enables two people to take better care of each other financially and physically. In the end, heterosexuals have the right to get married to the person of their choice. Homosexuals don't. This is unequal.

(also, my girlfriend didn't care a lick about civil marriage either, until after the two of us had been together for a year or so. Now we both want it for ourselves.)

And obviously since it isn't important to you, that means it's ridiculous for anyone else to want to fight for it.

Marriage is a stupid social institution that most of the times only brings poverty and despair.

The right to get married - however you feel about marriage - isn't the issue here. Prop 8 sets a precedent for legislating morality to take away rights from a minority group. Any rights. We've got enough racism and bullshit oppression going on in this country right now anyway, even in lolLiberal California - ask anybody named Abdul or Jose just how awesome their American Dream is - and Prop 8 is the first step to sanctioning that shit. It puts oppression into the Constitution. Yeah, this time it's marriage for us queers. But what'll it be next time?

You think marriage is stupid, then don't get married, but don't you fucking dare belittle the situation here because of that.

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