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⌈ Secret Post #673 ⌋

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Isn't that rather exploitative? And in any case, I'll just copy+paste what I typed above: if the right to religion can be used as an excuse to oppose same-sex marriage, I'm curious as to how a person who believes this can still reconcile their beliefs with, say, being a fan of slash. Doesn't that mean that on some intellectual, you can accept it as right and natural - and yet still oppose it?

So people who attack those for being against stuff like violent rape fics on the basis that "fantasy =/= reality" are given the green light despite this theory of intellectual level? What, does is that the exception or something?

Rape is harmful in real life, people are hurt by it, those are not even in the same league as gay relationships. As a lesbian that is offensive to me that you would make that comparison. Also being against rape is a whole heck of a lot different then being against equal rights.

It hurts people. Gay people. Don't hurt anyone by being gay and it is exploitative and hypocritical to read and focus on stories about gay relationships while being homophobic about it in real life

I think they're both extremely serious. Rape is violating someone in the most twisted and intimate way possible, and denying someone's basic rights because of sexual orientation is, well, to me equally twisted. I guess I'm not giving a justification for those raised in an anti-gay environment, I sort of went off on a tangent how the same people can be hypocritical in one way (being all for gay marriage in fandom and RL, but protest fantasy =/= reality in fics of rape) and not see they might unknowingly be supporting something wrong themselves.

I think the fact that supporting rape in real life actually hurts people, and not all people in fandom are supportive of rape fics. I don't like them, I would rather not see them, however I don't think there is enough of a case to ban them, or to believe that people who read them are into it themselves.

And like someone else said to equate the two is to associate being gay with a kink and a fetish, when it really isn't.

I'm not saying fandom supports rape fics, and I'm not saying supporting rape is like supporting gay marriage (it just hit me how fucked up that sounded without clarification). I think the inverse: supporting gay marriage and being against rape, when you have that mindset you don't understand how anyone could be against letting homosexual/bisexuals express themselves, or see rape in an attractive light. I guess I was weirded out by finding someone who wrote and read rape fics but ranted against people not for gay marriage. I guess it just didn't add up to me.

I responded to ronsard below, that that's probably the coming home point: these people are equating homosexuality with a kink or a fantasy. Getting involved in fandom and not thinking clearly could develop confusion where they see homosexuality as an abstract fantasy and when confronted with it in reality do not understand it.

Equating a rape fantasy with slash implies that homosexuality is a fetish.

ILU.

Unfortunately, a lot of people in fandom do view homosexuality as a fetish and "kink".

They view homosexuality the way I view smoking. I hate smoking in real life, but I love making characters smoke in fandom. They hate homosexuality in real life, but they love making their characters "gay". The fact that it can be compared to smoking with some fangirls is what is so disgusting about fandom at times.

Homosexuality should NOT be treated that way. *sigh*

This is a disgusting argument. You are assuming that everyone in fandom is okay with the idea of rape in fantasy, which is already a misconception. Even the greenlighters acknowledge that rape is anything but "right and natural" - the depiction of rape and violence in fiction, when used for personal fantasy, is deliberately presented to be as divorced from reality as possible. Interpersonal relationships, homosexual inclusive, are on the other hand an integral part of human nature. The specific relationship being depicted maybe fictional and fantastic, but the core essence of it remains.

Edited 2008-11-08 23:06 (UTC)

I guess what needs to be fixed, then, is that those supporting gay relationships in fandom and deny them IRL shouldn't be only slammed against, they should instead also be taught they ARE confusing homosexuality with fantasies, and really need to talk to someone like a counselor seeing people who are different sexually like distant playthings. I'm not saying it's right, I guess I'm trying to see how someone COULD be that way.

I don't really understand how someone really could be this way myself, so getting an answer from the Anon was my way of trying to educate myself on the matter. In my reply to you, I may have been overly harsh, but I would just like to say that, if you had said all that to begin with, I wouldn't have mistaken you for someone with a bigoted view. Apologies.

It was only through talking to you I was able to finally put my confusion into words, into something that made actual sense, so I'm grateful you were able to help me through that. I don't think you were harsh at all, I thought it was necessary to get me thinking about where the hell the initial thought in my brain was going, and I thank you for that.

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