[ SECRET POST #673 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #673 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Let's look at this season of South Park.

1st episode: Cartman gets HIV through a blood transfusion, and he gives it to Kyle (through a needle injection) out of spite. The only sex joke in the episode is saying that Cartman and Kyle are gay lovers after Kyle says that Cartman gave him AIDS.

2nd episode: Brittney Spears blows her head off and the tabloids write about it, and it all turns out to be a plot to get her to commit suicide so the Gods will give a good corn harvest. The sex jokes in this episode are related to Brittney when she exposes herself on-camera once.

3rd episode: Kids get high from sniffing cat piss, and the other kids try to get Kenny off of it. Lots of boobie jokes, but they specifically said 'yeah, and you only get to see her tits anyways.'

4th episode: Canada goes on strike. No sex jokes.

5th episode: Mrs. Garrison gets a sex change and becomes Mr. Garrison again. They have lots of penis jokes, and a penis is attached to a mouse, but all the sex jokes are said between adults and are jokes about women being scared of mice.

6th episode: Internet breaks. Stan's dad jacks off to porn. No children involved in the sex jokes.

7th episode: Terrorists hold the children hostage at a living museum. No sex jokes.

8th episode: The kids talk about Indiana Jones being 'raped' in his new movie. And by 'raped' they mean his character was way off. There's sexual imagery, but that was the children describing how out of character Indiana Jones was.

9th episode: Cartman makes fun of breast cancer. He makes boob jokes, but they're all just him giggling about being able to say 'breast' in class without getting in trouble.

10th and 11th episodes: Kids make a Peruvian flute band, giant guinea pigs take over the earth, and they have to stop them. No sex jokes.

12th episode: The election was all a sham. McCain and Obama are friends and they were trying to steal the Hope Diamond. No sex jokes.

Out of those 12 episodes, 2 involved boob jokes, 1 had ONE sex joke involving the kids, and 1 could actually be considered sexual content. That's one-third, or one-sixth if you discount the boob joke episodes. Now, how many of this season-- or even the last twelve episodes-- of Kodomo no Jikan involved the girls making sex jokes or talking about sex?

[(Anonymous)]

What? One season out of 13 totally makes it different despite the degree of sexual jokes it did previous seasons?

Actually, the fan service had been pretty toned down for a while since it's fully involved with plot now.

[(Anonymous)]

Would you like me to go over the last twelve? Because I think you'll find the trend to be the same: while a couple episodes do deal with those issues, a majority of the episodes are about other things entirely.

[(Anonymous)]

*sigh* Forget it because you're not getting it. It doesn't matter what the episodes this season has, it doesn't erase the fact that it had pretty strong sexual jokes or whatnot.

[(Anonymous)]

Let me put this in a different way:

I watch anime with my mother and father.

I watch South Park with my mother and father.

I would never watch Kodomo no Jikan with my mother and father.

[(Anonymous)]

And? I don't watch South Park with my mother and I rather die watching it with my grandmother. They think it's sick, should be off the air, yadda yadda yadda and that's without knowing the sexual jokes in the show.

But then again, there's the double standard. It's okay when it involves boys but a big no-no with girls.

[(Anonymous)]

You know what? It's not about gender. I wouldn't watch Boku no Pico with my parents either.

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't watch porn with my family either. There's a world of difference between Kodomo no Jikan and Boku no Pico, my friend.

And Kodomo no Jikan isn't porn.

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't watch porn with my family either. There's a world of difference between Kodomo no Jikan and Boku no Pico, my friend.

THIS. SO MUCH. Boku no Pico is ACTUAL SHOUTA, whereas Kodomo no Jikan is a collection of cute pantyshots for the first 10 chapters, then it's Gokusen-with-a-male-teacher for what's come out since then.

And breaking anime into the "Would watch with parents" and "Would not watch with parents, which means it needs to DIAF" categories is kind of dumb.

[(Anonymous)]

Fine, I'll just a much closer example that I saw in another part of this post: Loveless.

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't watch Loveless with my family because it has BL and yuri and my family is homophobic. Plus Loveless gets praise for how it handles the subject of abuse and Soubi and Ritsuka do nothing worse than a kiss, and scenes like that are few and far in between.

This is pointless, you know.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, this is starting to seriously bug me. The shows are not the same, not in intended audience, not in style and not in tone. I don't have to watch either (which I don't) to be able to figure that out.

[(Anonymous)]

Holy crap, anon, please tell me you're being sarcastic and you're not actually using what you wrote above as a defense of anything. Admittedly, I have no interest in either show, but in what universe is the depiction of giving someone AIDS for the hell of it supposed to be better than anyone, no matter how young, talking about sex?

[(Anonymous)]

I wasn't saying it was better? Just not the same as children talking about sex all the time. It's more of an 'apples and oranges' thing than 'omg one show is better than the other.'

[(Anonymous)]

The kids in Kodomo no Jikan don't talk about sex all the time either.

[(Anonymous)]

Several points I'd like to make:
a. Cartman is a sociopath, and anyone who hasn't realised that by now hasn't been paying attention.
b. You are not supposed to identify with Cartman, you are supposed to identify with Stan and Kyle.
c. That whole episode was a somewhat heavy handed attempt to point out a decrease of public interest in the plight of AIDS victems and to increase funding for AIDS research.
d. South Park may be rude, crude, violent and sexual at times, but at the same time it has evolved a rather preachy morality. The episode where Ike gets involved with his teacher, for example, spends a great deal of time pointing out societies double standards. The male police are at first horrified when they think the teacher is male, but when they learn she's young and attractive they respond with 'nice'. All the while Kyle and Stan - the characters you are supposed to empathise with - are horrified.
e. The fact that there is fanservice (pantyshots) in Kodomo no Jikan negates any negative reaction Rin's behaviour may garner, because it is rewarding the *audience* with sexualised imagery of a child.
f. I wouldn't watch either show with my mother, but I damn well know which one I'd be more likely to get arrested for.

[sirens-song.livejournal.com]

THANK YOU!!!!!

FFS, people don't seem to understand South Park at all. They specifically use shocking/disgusting plotlines to show you exactly how shocking/disgusting these things are when they happen in real life. The episodes DO NOT advocate any of the horrible things they show. They shock you with disgust in order to make you THINK. The AIDS episode wasn't meant to create laughs over "HA HA! Cartman gave Kyle AIDS!! THAT'S HILARIOUS!" It was about showing that people in America seem to believe that AIDS is over and they have moved on to the new "in fashion" disease to support.

The episode where Ike sleeps with his teacher is another perfect example. The adults are all caught up in the double standard that it is okay that an older female is screwing around with a younger boy. Kyle and Stan are the voice of reason and morality, showing that the double standard is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

And to whoever brought up the whole "It's okay for boys to be sexual but not girls" you've obviously never watched South Park. The episode where Ike sleeps with his teacher specifically points out the double standard between female and male sexuality and then shows that sex of the child doesn't matter when it comes to sexuality.

Anmd it is also made VERY clear that the boys think they know about sex but they don't. The episode where Jimmy pays for a hooker on advice of one of the adults shows that he has no knowledge of sex. Stan and Kyle hear that Kyle's father is having a problem getting an erection but they don't actually know what an erection is and they confuse it with crucifixion. And the "Red Rocket" episode highlights exactly how ignorant the children in South Park are when it comes to anything sexual.

None of these stories are meant to titillate or arouse. They are meant to show that adults believe that children are more sexualised than they actually are today. The responses by some people in this thread have shown exactly how much Parker and Stone are on point when it comes to satirising what adults THINK children actually think about.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. You're not SUPPOSED to identify with Cartman. Yet he's the most popular character. There is a new boxset out called "The Cult Of Cartman". Parker and Stone must know Cartman has a huge fanbase. And the reason he does is probably NOT because people catch the satirical nature of him. People just think an 8-year-old boy spouting off bigoted stuff is hilarious.

The problem isn't the show, it's the audience.