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⌈ Secret Post #4774 ⌋

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[Yuri on Ice and Sailor Moon]

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[Annie]

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I just finished watching it a few minutes ago and I hated it so fucking much. I can't think of the last time the ending of a show pissed me off so much (and I watched Lost and Dexter!). I'm weirdly glad to see that the people here hated it, too, because elsewhere online I've seen all this ~it was poignant and beautiful!~ bullshit, and that just makes me angry.

This is probably a weird takeaway, but it came off as oddly...privileged to me? Like, I'm probably overthinking it and there's probably no point in trying to make parallels to reality because it's a fantasy show, and I'm not even sure I can explain it in a way that makes sense to anyone other than me, but...

It's like, yeah, all you people watching who are dealing with awful shit in your lives, let's show you some characters who essentially have perfect lives and none of the problems you have to deal with, and they're spoiled, ungrateful brats who are ~bored~ so they're just going to kill themselves and it's going to be framed as some profound, amazing thing.

I'm not super surprised that I hated it, this last season I'd lost a lot of interest (and at one point I considered it one of my favorite shows) and then with the introduction of the final door, I had a feeling it was going to be a letdown, but man...so fucking disappointing.

Your paragraphs about it seeming privileged make total sense to me. I've had A Hard Knock Life and been through a lot of bad shit in just 30 years, and I think part of why it's upsetting me is because the message was even IF I make it through the real-world shit and get eternal paradise, that's gonna suck too, just in a different way! I don't know. Based on other online reactions, a lot of people loved the finale's message, but it wasn't one I personally needed.

ayrt

It's just so weird to me. I mean, I'm used to having unpopular opinions and hating stuff that other people love, but usually in the opposite direction. Usually I like dark, disturbing stuff that other people hate, so the idea of everyone loving something super depressing and that being the most popular opinion is really freaking strange to me.

Because it's not depressing? The eventual death of the self is, ultimately the endgame posed by most world religions that are not bullshit Chritianity, (and even honest Christian eschatology won't envision Heaven as The Good Place or Hell as The Bad Place.) The reveal that The Good Place is yet another form of dukkha that must eventually end is a direct reference to the forms of Buddhism that Chidi discusses in the final episode. And once they replaced a folk-Christian eschatology with a dharmic one, they might as well go all in on the idea that existence is suffering.

ayrt

Because it's not depressing?

To me it is. I thought it was fairly obvious I was just sharing my own opinion.

might as well go all in on the idea that existence is suffering.

And that's bullshit, IMO. I'm an atheist so I'm not offended by any religious aspects or anything, but it's because I don't believe that we'll ever get anything else that I feel like we should appreciate and enjoy life as much as we can.

If someone hates their life and feels like they're suffering just to be alive then fine, they can kill themselves. I just don't want to hear about how perfect and beautiful and amazing it is.

Lol this is such a Bad Take. Perfect lives? Did you... not see... the entire show? Did the entire point go over your head? The point was that everyone has bad things to deal with, whether it be because they were born in poverty or because they were born into wealth, but everyone has the capacity to be good, despite their upbringings. The whole point of taking the test over and over was the great equalizer of privilege. What, because someone is privileged on earth, they don't deserve happiness if they truly earn it?

I don't understand how so many people are missing the concept of peace as a final destination as a good thing... not to mention the fact that the final door is an option, and not required.

I hear complaints about how the show is Philosophy 101 and yet so many people can't even grasp that.

NAYRT: Oh, I thought it was obvious they were going to pivot to Buddhism or Existentialism once Chidi introduced the alternate system. And once Hypatia started talking, it was fucking obvious where they were pivoting right to Buddhism with ultimate liberation as endgame.

SA: Although prior discussions here reveal that a lot of people are intensely attached to the idea of an afterlife eternal orgasms and milkshakes, and intensely hostile to the concept of liberation, so this reaction isn't a surprise.

Because we don't see it as "liberation". I don't get why it's so hard for some people to understand that other people interpret things differently.

Buddism is about death becoming reincarnation, not floating of into the sky as golden snowflakes. Existentialism is about making your own choices. Hypatia was killed by Christians, and her use is a complete insult that she's only here as she was known as a martyr for philosophy. Pythagorus would have been equally viable, the fact he dies because even when chased by murder's he refused to step across a field of bean's because believed them to contain human souls, the ultimate test. (but I digress...) The good place is about not being any specific religion, none of them are right. Your attempt to try and sound smart failed the second you started talking about knowing what they were planning. (especially being as ill-informed as you are)

Perfect lives? Did you... not see... the entire show?

The afterlife was the "perfect life" part, I'm not talking about anything else. Like you said, some of them had a lot of hardship to deal with, but then they finally got perfect lives, and they just threw it away.

What, because someone is privileged on earth, they don't deserve happiness if they truly earn it?

That is not at all what I said.

Did the entire point go over your head?

Whatever. I hate the "if you don't like something that claims to be deep, you just ~didn't understand it~" bullshit copout. People are allowed to not like things.

I don't understand how so many people are missing the concept of peace as a final destination as a good thing...

Because not everyone is interpreting it as "peace". I interpret it as people who have great lives (in the afterlife) and people who love them and are choosing to give it all up and hurt the people who love them for essentially no reason.

Interpretations need to be grounded in the actual text, not just pulled out of your ass because you're an atheist ironically offended that someone wouldn't choose millions of years of never-ending orgasms and milkshakes.

ayrt

Hell, I still can't say how much I've calmed down, tbh;; I'm almost glad I didn't go into the fandom, if people from it actually think whatever they threw at us at the end was good in any way, or meaning;;...

Privileged is a very, very good way to put it, imo. The idea that they just /give up/, for no other reason than that they figure there's nothing left that could possibly interest them is just so stupid! Entirely privileged in a way that apparently /any one/ getting into the good place is basically meant to end up miserable and alone, and can only find happiness with suicide... Like what the hell?!

I was getting sick of the show myself, but hell, I'd never expect an ending like /that/! I tempted to feel legitimately betrayed...

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