[ SECRET POST #4775 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4775 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Are you kidding?

The heavily implied gay subtext was right there. If you didn't see it, I can only assume that you require it to be spelled out in bright crayon for you to get, because it wasn't even subtle.

It wasn't all that good, but what you have to remember is that many, many people are basing their review of it on a comparison to a beloved book. The gay was amped up from the book version and, as far as adaptations go, it's extremely faithful save for bits added after the fact for clarity by one of the authors.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like some people around here have inverse shipping goggles

[morieris]

I'm normally in the same frame of mind as the secret maker ("Just shove some white men in the leads and everyone loves it unnecessarily"), but I've never read the book and found (most of it) fine. A lot of it made me laugh. Wish we saw more of the Horsemen.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. Even my 11-year-old nephew who watched the show with me asked me if they were gay.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, it had gay as part of the joke and not so subtle subtext... but then "best friend."

I don't think it was that good either. The hype wasn't deserved.

[(Anonymous)]

People are usually being hyperbolic when they talk about a thing being "really gay" and it's pretty much on you if you don't take that with a grain of salt.

In this case, people were shipping them from the novel for years, and since the tv version leaned into the relationship made a lot of shippers very happy, even if it didn't end with kissing, love confessions, or otherwise explicit romance. It certainly didn't preclude the possibility of that happening after.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never shipped m/m slash (I'm a lesbian and the thought of two dudes going at it does absolutely nothing for me) and this was no exception, but I thought the series was delightful. To each their own!

[sparklywalls]

I personally liked it from the strong loving friendship POV but can definitely see why others would read way more into the shipping side.

The best thing about this show was it was fairly relaxed in that it seemed to deliberately set out to be something where people could take what they wanted from it - and it wasn't coming down hard on any one interpretation. But it wasn't invalidating any either. I'm fine with it overall not living up to the hype as a show for you but every interview I've seen with the cast etc regarding this seems to suggest they were aware of the romantic angle, and they're fine with it.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, Neil Gaiman is experienced and social media savvy. He knows that the best thing to do is let fans have their fun and enjoy their own interpretation of things. I really like that about him.

[(Anonymous)]

Coming from someone who never read the book before watching the TV adaptation... I'm sorry, but shipping goggles from being fan of the book are not necessary to see how disgustingly married these two are??? It's like... Right there. This is the most over gay I've ever seen without an onscreen love declaration and/or kissing.

Idk how you didn't see it, OP. I can't wrap my head around how can anyone NOT see it.

As for how good it is, well. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose. I'm sorry it wasn't all that enjoyable for you, I personally loved the hell out of it and watched it multiple times, lol.

[(Anonymous)]

Hahaha agreed! I wasn't planning to ship it (I read some A/C bookfic back in the day but never felt super strongly about the ship), but good lord was it romantic.

[(Anonymous)]

trust me, at this point if i see fandom claiming a show as 'so gay' i always assume it isn't and shippers are just going nuts over a pair of dudes sharing screen-time. turns out to be true 9/10.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn’t like this adaptation much either, but I’m not usually big into m/m romance, and I still went “wow, they’re so obviously gay in this.” Which was fine, that wasn’t one of my issues with it, but I can’t imagine seeing this version and thinking they aren’t in love. The book isn’t nearly as shippy.

[(Anonymous)]

Yup. I definitely saw the subtext but it wasn't all that, and the show itself was eh. Poorly held together in terms of pacing, crap-ass special effects, too much emphasis on the two leads and not on the other characters. I barely got through it.

If it doesn't hold together without the parent text, then why make it?

[(Anonymous)]

The subtext is there and certainly allows for you to make your own interpretation with their relationship, but I'm not going to praise the show for doing that, as if having a gay-romance be subtext-only is something notable or at all groundbreaking.

[(Anonymous)]

I can see this, OP. I loved David Tennant and Michael Sheen's portrayal of these two, but I didn't think it was THAT heavy of a subtext. People acted like it was super duper gay rainbow explosions and... nah, it's more a combination of wishful thinking/shipping goggles and being deeply deprived of mainstream m/m media.

[(Anonymous)]

First of all, how dare you.

[(Anonymous)]

I’ve never read the book and I was only so-so on the show, but I have no idea how you could fail to see how whomping the slashiness was.

It wasn’t canonically sexual, I do agree with that. But it was very clearly canon that they loved each other, and the way they loved each other was a LOT more romantic-feeling than in just about any other western “two male friends” set-up I’ve seen.

The only way GO is “not that gay” is if your standards are purely based on “Is it canon that they snog and fuck, Y/N?”

[(Anonymous)]

Never even read the book and The Gay was right there my dude.

[(Anonymous)]

As an actual gay, it's in the language they use with each other.

Such as things like.

"You go too fast for me."

Or like the whole thing with wanting to run the fuck away.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't seen the show, or read the book, so I can't say much for the ship, but I have seen a number of clips that does make it seem as if it didn't have much in the way of budget and styling. It doesn't help that I want to read the book first which I've heard is a lot better.

[(Anonymous)]

So you have:

1. Two characters
2. Canonically genderless
3. Gender-bending in presentation
3. Whose relationship is literally unspeakable for most of the story
4. Which they keep secret for most of the story, because,
5. Their people will kill them if they find out.

That right there has all the elements of a classic Fantasy Relationship Informed By Queer Ideas.

Whether or not they're actually fucking (my opinion is no) is probably the least interesting question about how that relationship is developed.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL at all the defensive shippers in this thread. I agree with you, OP. It didn't seem any more gay than a lot of popular old school slash ships. You could read just as much gay subtext in, say, Smallville's Clark and Lex, and that wasn't actually intended to be a gay relationship, despite how much it seemed that way.

And +1 to your other point. I enjoyed the show a lot, but it wasn't that good either.

[(Anonymous)]

One difference between Good Omens and every other ship involving two white guys who look at each other.

Gaiman didn't bend over backwards to no-homo those two white guys, unlike the majority of big fandom franchises.