[ SECRET POST #4879 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4879 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[final fantasy vii]


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[magical girl shows/puella magi madoka magica]


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12. [SPOILERS for Melody: Love Has to Win]



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13. [WARNING for discussion of abuse]



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15. [WARNING for pedophilia, incest, rape, patricide, infanticide]

























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Comments

[fscom]

03. https://i.imgur.com/ph3PHlq.png?1>
[final fantasy vii]

[(Anonymous)]

Is it Reno? Fandom seems to have decided that he's just a fun loving quirky chill dude a long time ago. Though the Advent Children movie certainly helped this along.
In general, a lot of the Turks have been woobified/changed to comic relief characters/whitewashed (character-wise) in fandom a lot, not that that's surprising. All the different compilation canons are fairly inconsistent about them as well though.

[(Anonymous)]

Probably, I don't know anybody who's like dedicated to RPing Rude or Elena for 10 years.

I like it best when people manage to mesh both sides for every Turk, because being chill while also being uncaring enough to drop a plate on hundreds of people is more interesting than just one without the other.

[(Anonymous)]

I love Reno being a fun loving quirky dude who also is knowingly working for a shitty and evil corporation and getting his hands dirty for them.

Characters who have a sort of dissonance between seeming nice and being able to do bad things is one of my favorite things in fiction.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that was part of why I loved the Turks. When Cloud and the others ran into them on vacation, they were all "hey, chill, we're off the clock, we're not gonna bother you." They are actually pretty chill people, but at the same time they have no qualms working for Shinra and doing bad things in Shinra's name. It makes them far more interesting as characters.

[(Anonymous)]

... the Turks were never evil, though? Like, if you check out Before Crisis, that becomes abundantly clear. The Turks actually SPLIT from Shinra for a while because they were so unhappy with the way Shinra was doing things. They split from Shinra and the only person from Shinra who backed them in doing so was Reeve.

[(Anonymous)]

They still followed orders and dropped the plate - that's not exactly nice and not-evil behaviour. Evil henchmen are still evil, even if at a later point they decide to reform.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not nice behaviour, but they were shown to be conflicted and distressed about doing so. It's not like they pushed the button while cackling maniacally.

[(Anonymous)]

True but they still did it. Potentially murdering a village worth of people doesn't get that much less evil just because you feel a little bit bad about it.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, if you're going to go that route then Reeve was also evil for not trying harder to stop President Shinra from dropping the plate, but I'm pretty sure most people won't agree with that. It's not that black and white and that's one of the great things about the game.

What Remake did a fantastic job with was showing that the majority of workers in Shinra were just regular everyday people who were trying to make a living and that it was really only the upper management who were horrible, irredeemable monsters.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not saying they are full evil. I agree that it's nuanced. But YOU said they were never evil. Which I disagree with. They very much were. Conflicted yes, nuanced yes, still murdered a town full of people.

And not to go full Godwin's Law but the people working in the Nazi administration were also just "people doing their jobs" but you'd still not say that they were all fully innocent of their government's crimes.

[(Anonymous)]

Thies side of their characterization was stillstill shown in the remake though

[laceblade]

That’s kind of weird because I felt like the remake went out of its way to retcon some tortured emotions behind their horrific actions that weren’t there in the original — Reno waffling on dropping the plate and clearly feeling guilt about it afterward; Tseng rationalizing it; Rude purposely yanking the helicopter guns away at the last minute to avoid hitting Tifa.
I didn’t mind any of these changes! But if anything the game went out of its way to make the Turks redeemable.

[(Anonymous)]

This is why I loved the Remake, honestly. Instead of "Avalanche good, Shinra bad," it really went out of its way to humanize both sides of the equation and show why they acted the way they did. The whole series of exchanges with the Shinra middle manager on the train were so great for me - he disagreed with what Avalanche was doing, but when push came to shove, he wanted to help protect the people on the train no matter what side they were on, and having him tell Barret that he was going to help look after everyone was just so satisfying after the hostile exchanges you'd had earlier.

[(Anonymous)]

Wat.

The original always had nuance and was always “Avalanche morally gray, ShinRa darker shade of gray.” The Remake actually went out of its way to remove the nuance by blaming ShinRa for all the people that died in the bombing because they sabotaged Jessie’s bomb. Reeve even calls Barret and co out in the original for being pieces of shit, and Bartet himself admits his methods were wrong because of all the people he hurt and not carrying what he did for his cause. By evacuating Sector 7 + having ShinRa be the ones who caused Jessie’s explosion to kill everyone loses a ton of narrative weight and let’s Avalanche off the hooks because lol no biggies it was just Heidegger and The President behind that, Avalanche are still the good guys and everything would’ve been fine if ShinRa didn’t intervene!!

[(Anonymous)]

DA

^^^^This.

I do remember that the original translation wasn't considered very accurate and led to Square overhauling that part of production. Maybe the parts we're remembering weren't there in the first place?

[(Anonymous)]

They were definitely there. The “bad translation” argument only applies to the PS1 version. The game has been rereleased and cleaned up and fixed so many times by now that yes, the nuanced story telling always existed. And even in my foggiest memories of the PSX version Avalanche was still called out by Reeve, Barret did regret his actions, Reeve was ultimately complicit, the Turks were affable post-plate drop, and Rufus + co were morally gray but still trying to stop Sephiroth and if it wasn’t for him Avalanche would’ve failed given that Rufus + co killed 2 WEAPONS and are the reason Avalanche could even get into the northern crater.

People need to (re)play the original and look past the lego graphics and lack of voice acting and see how watered down the Remake is in comparison.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel this.

They were really flippant in the original game. Not nice, that's mostly from Advent Children.

They're classic punch-clock villains. They do what they're ordered to.

[(Anonymous)]

Tbh, it’s become abundantly clear people never touched the original game given how fandom is reacting to characters like Aerith, Barret, The Turks, and Tifa. A lot of people are surprised about how they’re acting and I’m just sitting here going, yeah? Aerith was always a sassy flirt, Barret always had soul with multiple facets, Tifa was always unsure of herself and prone to waffling, and Reno was always a jackass and Rude a straight up nice guy.

Honestly, people who played only CC and the remake should pick up the original at some point. There’s really no excuse not to since it’s been ported to every system ever and is like, 20$ maximum and would clear up a lot of fandom misconception people have about the story.