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Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

If you are home schooled, could you still go to an Ivy league University? What would the process be, would it be any different to someone coming from a high school? Can people from regular state run high schools go to ivy league unis?

I'm a little confused on this subject because I've just watched Gilmore Girls and the main character had to go to a really expensive private school just to get into Yale, which seems crazy to me and I don't really understand why.

Re: Question for Americans

[philstar22]

I suppose in theory sure. But Ivy League schools and other top level schools have limited enrollment, and they choose students based on a number of factors which may include what high school they went to, what grades they got, what extra curricular they got, what major they are planning and if they are already advancing in that field, how well they write on their essays, their SAT scores, and all sorts of other factors. So yes, although I can't say for certain, I think being home schooled would make it much more difficult to get into an ivy league school unless you had a bunch of other factors that would counter balance that negative one.

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

I think maybe the size difference between the US and my own medium sized European country is the difference here. We all take the same exams so which school you go to should in theory not effect your chances. I guess the US is so big they include it as a factor. Just seems crazy to me that kids would be disadvantaged simply because of the school most convenient to them geographically. That's a serious barrier to social mobilisation or so it seems to me anyway.

Thanks for answering my question :)

Re: Question for Americans

[philstar22]

Oh, I don't like it, personally. Not a fan of the systems we've got at all. That's just the way it is at the moment here.

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

You still get bias towards the rich here don't get me wrong. I don’t think anywhere's got it perfect yet.

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

Just seems crazy to me that kids would be disadvantaged simply because of the school most convenient to them geographically. That's a serious barrier to social mobilisation or so it seems to me anyway.

lol it's a huge, huge, huge barrier to social mobilization. it's not just a private school - public school thing, either, it also varies enormously between different public school districts, because public education is largely funded and administered on the county level in the United States. so if you're from a wealthy suburb versus an inner city, the kinds of educational access and support you have is massively different

but this is all well known; the problem is that massive parts of American politics are just not committed to social mobility as a goal, especially when that social mobility takes into account racial lines

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

Also not American, and yes, I totally agree.

Another thing I was shocked to learn is that many US universities force their students to live on campus for their first year, and sometimes for their second year as well. So like, even if their family home is close by and they could continue living there for free while attending school, they are forced to spend thousands and thousands of dollars more to pay for on-campus housing. That is so fucked up I can't even fathom it. Like, yeah, a lot of people want to live on campus and that's cool. But the idea that they're forced to is just rage-inducing to me.

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

When I was in college (years ago) not only did freshman HAVE to stay in the dorms, but purchasing a meal plan was also mandatory. IIRC, it was 20 meals a week, because the dining hall was closed for Sunday dinner. You didn't get your money back if you failed to use those meals (they expired every week) and you couldn't officially transfer them, either. (Though people used to "swipe in" their friends using their meal card and most monitors let you.)

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

It would have a major effect on the city's housing market to have 10,000 or more people searching for place to live all at once. And some of us want our freedom so bad we don't care about the price tag.

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that's super common, at least among non-elite schools. State schools probably don't do that and my private undergrad university didn't.

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, you can go to an Ivy League school if you're coming from a home school or a public high school, it's just harder. Tony private schools will usually offer more extracurriculars and they might have an inside pipeline to admissions. Especially for Harvard / Princeton / Yale. The process is so competitive for those schools that people who are really, really focused on getting in there will sometimes do some crazy shit to improve their chances. And still might not get in, like Paris.

It's not a great system but this is American education we're talking about here nothing is a great system.

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

People from regular state schools can definitely get into Ivy Leagues. There was a girl from my graduating class who got into Harvard and the school made a humongous deal about it. This girl had like a 5.0 GPA, took half of her classes at the community college, and was really involved in the student body association. I'm assuming she did well on her SATs and shit, but I wasn't close to her, so I never asked. She was a nice girl though. I got paired with her to do a group project and she didn't make me feel like I was an idiot like some of the other smart kids did.

I do believe people who were home schooled can get into Ivy Leagues, but I'm not sure how different the process would be.

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks, that's very informative :) Sounds like your compatriot worked her ass off for it!

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

There's no official reason why you couldn't. It's just that Ivy League schools get a ton of applications and it's very competitive unless you're a legacy applicant and/or come from a very rich family. If you're trying to get in on merit alone, well, good luck with that. You'd need to be an exceptional student, but your extra currculars should be impressive, too.

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

Which, TBF, Rory was a legacy student but

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

So in theory, you could transfer like Rory did to improve your chances. Gilmore Girls is suddenly making a lot more sense lol Thanks!

Re: Question for Americans

[tabaqui]

If you're really interested....
https://www.homeschoolfacts.com/can-a-homeschooler-become-an-ivy-leaguer/

Grain of salt - this is a homeschool website, so it could be overly optimistic and/or biased in other ways. It does lay out the schools' admission info and etc., which is interesting.

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you! That looks incredibly helpful :)

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, so. Public school funding primarily comes from property taxes collected on the county level. Funds from taxes are not redistributed equally across every school in a particular school district, so taxes from a rich area go to public schools that can end up with funding that rivals some private schools.

I went to a rich public school. I wasn’t rich, but 90% of my classmates were. One was going to UC Berkeley because her parents had an auditorium named after them there.

Lots of my classmates went to Ivy League schools. I didn’t.

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

Why would you want to? Ivy League schools really arent all that. I've never considered where someone went to college in the hiring process, only if their degree is in one of the small handful of acceptable fields.

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

Because it carries a lot of weight still in the oligarchical structure of the US.

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, but if you're a normal person who was never going to be a senator or CEO in the first place, don't bother.

Re: Question for Americans

[meadowphoenix]

The answer is yes OP, but it's a much smaller percentage than those who went to high school, and there are some private high schools which are basically pipelines to ivies. The process for homeschooled kids is no different, but it might be harder to get recommendations since those are usually from teachers (and usually its easier for kids homeschooled in coops where there are accredited teachers, but it's not like a private school).

I went to an ivy, and they all have this thing where they want to crow about diversity so they actually do tend to look for diverse backgrounds...like homeschooling and such. But its super competitive so you better be fucking amazing at quantifiable things like SAT scores, and you better have amazing extracurricular (sports? poetry? awards from any of those things?) and volunteer hours.

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you, that's very helpful! :)

Re: Question for Americans

[(Anonymous)]

It's likely a hold-over stereotype from when Ivy League colleges were a lot more explicit about discriminating on socio-economic status. That's less the case today and they're more of a merit-based system. Still though, private schools have an edge in preparing prospective students for the admission process and networking prospective students to alumni.