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[ SECRET POST #4900 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4900 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[watamote]

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[artemis fowl]

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03. [SPOILERS for Star Trek Discovery]

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04. [SPOILERS for Legend of the White Snake]

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05. [SPOILERS for Crazy Rich Asians trilogy]

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06. [SPOILERS for The Untamed]

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07. [WARNING for possible discussion of rape]

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08. [WARNING for homophobia]

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09. [WARNING for discussion of rape]

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10. [WARNING for discussion of underage sex]

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11. [WARNING for discussion of bullying/abuse]

[Sally Face]

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12. [WARNING for weight loss discussion (OP warned just in case)]

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13. [WARNING for discussion of vore/incest/necrophilia?]

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No, it isn't.

But you know what is? Having a LBGT character take the time out of not dying/saving the world from aliens/fighting zombies to give us a lecture about pronouns.

Think I'm exaggerating? I've read it.

You poor, poor baby. That's almost 40 entire seconds you'll never get back! Heaven knows, a character in a video game has never had non-action related dialogue before! How can a poor, simple gamer like yourself possibly cope with such a travesty?!

And you failed to mention the title of these stories because...

There was a Tower of God type novel (I don't remember the title) where a powerful character either appeared briefly or was mentioned - then a 3-4 page discussion of what non-binary meant which included instructions on how to be respectful. The character did not appear in the rest of the novel. (I kept waiting for her/him to pop back up ...)

WWW trilogy by Robert J Sawyer features a Sarah Palin-ish character that the author rants about at length. It has nothing to do the rest of the book. You can even check the reviews (book 2 or 3). People talk about it.

I do not keep lists of books I don't like, so this is based on memory.

So again, you were "forced" (by your own inability to just skim ahead)to dedicate about 1.8% of your reading experience to a topic you had no interest in. I weep for you.

Seriously, do you realize how pathetic you sound when you complain about 3 pages of off-topic dialogue in a novel?

Did I say it was forced?

Inserting a random political talking point into a novel that isn't about that is ... BAD WRITING.

Also, so to be clear, you're saying that if there was a story where a character stopped in the middle of a battle to save the planet from aliens to think about being a lesbian, that would be good writing to you? Because I notice a lot of people here tried to say 'That doesn't happen' and now it's 'it doesn't matter'.

Which it really doesn't. But it is annoying as all get out to get that kind of thing when you're trying to enjoy yourself in a story, be that a book or a game. And then you go, "Man, that was weird and dumb. Why was that in there?" And then people like you can only say, "What a bigot!"

And that's how you get Gamergate. :*

My dude, bad writing exists, and it's not the fault of LGBT characters. There's PLENTY of bad writing about straight cos people too, I promise.

No, what everyone who plays games is trying to tell you (because they’re idiots who can’t recognize the trolly troll) is that most games pepper in random things like this, but for some reason people like you only find it offensive when it has to do with LGBT stuff. It’s funny how no one makes entire platforms to complain about “irrelevant” thoughts and conversations when soldier dude stops to wonder if his girlfriend’s cheating on him with his army buddy or if that one bar in Sidequestland still makes that drink he likes, but someone wonders if they’re a lesbian and that’s weird and dumb.

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(Anonymous) - 2020-06-06 13:46 (UTC) - Expand

NAYRT

This is just something that bad writers do that has nothing to do with particular political ideologies. This doesn't prove anything. I am absolutely certain that you could find didactic, preachy writers justifying almost any ideological position. Especially in SFF! It's a well-known tradition (to be honest, Robert J Sawyer is actually someone I particularly hate in this regard, I think he's a hack - not so much on politics but on religion).

On the other hand, it seems that the vast majority of time when people complaining about Forced Diversity In Video Games, it's nothing close to this level. It's the people complaining because a character looks a certain way, or is a certain sexuality, or is a woman, or is portrayed a certain way. That's what people claim is the agenda to force things down their throats.

Robert J Sawyer is a very didactic author but the things that people are complaining about it don't even come close to that level of preachiness. If what you're arguing against is Robert J Sawyer, then you're arguing against something different than the person in OP.

+1 to all of this.

Sure you have.

lmao go back to 4chan.

The games I play regularly let your player character take hours of time out of the urgent matter of saving the world in order to do sidequests about finding ingredients for random shopkeepers in exchange for money or a cool accessory. Where is your god now?

So?

The game is about that. That's the point. The sidequests are part of the game - do you think games are random pieces stuck together? They're not. Sidequests are part of the game experience, allowing you to explore the world, feel like it's a REAL world, and give you, the player, time to relax. Is a random political rant in Pokemon part of the intended game experience? Would it mesh with the rest of the game? No. (The game doesn't have that afaik. Just an example.)

It could be part of the intended game experience, if that was what the game was about. Sometimes political statements are tonally incoherent with the rest of the game, but I don't see why a game couldn't have a political statement in it.

"So," you were acting like the problem was that a character taking the time to explain pronouns was horrible because WAAAAHHHHHH THE FICTIONAL GAME WORLD IS IN DANGERRRRR AND THIS SELFISH SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE IS WASTING 40 SECONDS OF OUR PRECIOUS TIME TO SAVE THE WORLD as if time to do anything in a game (outside an actual timed mission) is not completely arbitrary.

I get what you're getting at here, but that literally has never happened in any video game that these guys rail about. I mean that. Never. They find offense in so much as a background character mentioning a same-sex wife or husband-- literally the same dialogue as all the other straight NPCs. But that existing is "proof" of "shoving it down [their] throats."

Well... Dragon Age: Inquisition did this several times over so yeah, it does happen and if it does, it's jarring and immersion breaking. Doesn't change that these people we're talking about here actually do flip out if there is even a passing mention of anything lgbt related.

Wait, how is that immersion breaking?

Dorian's backstory is unambiguously gay. But it follows about a dozen characters with backstories involving unambiguous heterosexual relationships from the same studio including:

* Sarevok
* Keldorn
* Cern
* Linu
* Aribeth
* Sharwyn
* Tomi
* Sky
* Hou
* Carth
* Garrus
* Aveline

That's off the top of my head discussing companion characters who quite explicitly have straight partners somewhere in world, living or dead. Compared to how often Hou goes out of his way to describe how his wife is the worst person in the world in almost every single dialogue, Dorian's initial reluctance to discuss his family issues is pretty subtle.

I will not tolerate this Sera erasure.

I think the anon you responded to might be talking about Krem which is weird because you don't have to speak to him. Ever.

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(Anonymous) - 2020-06-06 20:11 (UTC) - Expand

Huh? When did that happen outside of optional quests or initiating convos with NPCs?

I can't tell what you're even talking about. The game gets a little heavy-handed with Krem in one conversation you trigger by misgendering him, and I think in that situation it's fair that Bull sets you straight. And it's a tavern conversation; your character is trying to get to know people and no one is actively fighting anything at the time, so unless you're also against the scene where Bull explains how horny killing a dragon made him, or Varric bringing the inner circle together for a game of cards, you can't call that "taking the time out of not dying/saving the world from aliens/fighting zombies".

Or is this about Dorian's backstory and the magical conversion therapy his dad wanted to put him through? Because that's just how personal quests are, you take the time out of your busy schedule to help a companion and learn something about them in the process. Honestly, Blackwall's personal quest is more disruptive, because if you want him in the party you have to deal with it right when it happens.

This guy thinks Chimera Squad is too gay. No one in Chimera Squad is mentioned as gay, and only one person is mentioned as straight! It’s solidly in the Tom Clancy style of “we don’t care what you look like or who you have sex with, we care how good you are at killing terrorists.” If that’s too left-wing, I don’t even want to know what this guy considers acceptably right.

Which doesn't apply to any of the studios who were review-bombed down to one star within hours of release because of a single use of the word "they" on the character-creation screen.

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