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Well...while I have no horse in the that part of SPN fandom (a Dean/OC girl myself) it would be interesting, but I think the idea to play with there wouldn't be that he over powers Dean -- he couldn't. Dean was a full demon as a Knight (correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while), whereas Sam would always be under the thrall of the blood. How much control and independence could he truly have in order to overpower Dean when he could not have said power without that blood? And the need for that blood? His desire for the blood that brings him to his knees and and wrecks him...

But the idea would be interesting. If you're into watching Sam struggle and Dean be...well Knight of Hell Dean. Def a dark fic.

The way that the other humans in SPN treat Sam? As an psychological addict sure. But what we saw on screen was that it's a physical dependency at best, and that, this is my interpretation from what we saw in the Famine episode, any little dribble gives Sam a enough power to get more. Which is to say, giving Sam any blood give Sam some leverage over the demon opposite him and would be dangerous to do. I think we see Sam a little desperate when he meets with Ruby after being detoxed, but when push comes to shove with Famine where his addiction has been uped to 11, after the first hit, he's basically fine and better than both Dean and Cas, so I don't think it actually is that type of constant thrall.

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Hmmm. It has been a while since I have seen SPN. I'lll have to rewatch some episodes...I do remember him being powerful after, and always seeking Ruby out (and later, didn't he try to stop it?)...Hmmm. Was he able to keep his wits/self after the blood or was his thinking under the sway of the blood? I remember Dean used to get so mad and treat him like he was addicted (because there was an element of this). I will agree I could see it as a physical thing, and sure one hit was good, but he would still need another and so on. What if (in the fic) he grew addicted to that feeling? I could see that happening, despite his best intentions/moral compass...

I'm curious now to know if KoH Dean was stronger than Mark of Cain Dean (and did those times overlap?). Because I can't see even Demon Blood Sam overpowering MoC Dean. And I will agree with the anon below me that Dean is not an idiot, he would know he wpuld need some type of safe guard against Sam turning on him (I'm also the anon below who wants to write a non wincest fic aboit this now, so thanks OP, for inspiring a fic with this secret!). You have given me much to ponder. I also think I merge soulless Sam with the time Dean became Knight of Hell...time to rewatch/read episode summaries!

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I think the biggest problem is that the SPN writers can't write addiction. But while he always sought out Ruby, he also only sought out Ruby even tho any demon would do, because his conviction that he shouldn't drink from possessed humans was that strong. I don't think you could say the addiction was ever stronger than his conviction, and that's what makes me think it was mostly a physical dependency. The only time his will to not drink from possessed humans was truly broken was when he went to go kill Lilith, and it was pretty clear that it was his determination to kill Lilith and not the blood drinking that motivated that. Otherwise you have Famine driving his blood lust up as high as possible, and after he drained two demons, he was on purpose even then. He killed a Horseman, who like Knights of Hell, can't be killed, and for similar reasons (for what I would say is better reasons. The Horseman, except for Death, are God-made which is going to be far stronger than the Lucifer-made Knights, and Sam killed one with the blood of only two demons).

Sam could destroy human/demon souls including Lilith who is actually comparable to MOC Dean as the Mark of Cain and Lilith were made by Lucifer at similar times. The problem with Knights of Hell is that you can't invulnerable to most things, but the soul is where you draw power.....which Sam can kill. Sam only needed the blood of 1 demon to kill Lilith.

That said, I think a fic writer would just need to make to do some magical work to make it make sense with what canon shows us. Some spell that is comparable to Famine's power and magical restraints. You could make some Man of Letters shit up or use that box of symbols which Dean was going to be put into to keep Michael contained. But I don't think Sam is actually comparable to angel or demon and that's the problem. Sam has Lucifer like powers but isn't affected by demon-trapping. I think you'd have to make up a demonus ex machina for "magical restraints and spell" to work, and that's not really engaging with the differences in power.

I'm glad this inspired you! ngl I think soulless!Sam makes this problem even worse. Sam is ruthless in canon but Soulless is BEYOND. He sucked his own blood out to make a demon trap, no way would Knight of Hell Dean be a match.

ayrt

This was all super useful! I'm going to have to take certain things into consideration now -- I could definitely do away with some things with just a wave of the hand -- i.e. Author's Twist on Canon -- Sam is less powerful if I say he is -- but where's the fun in that? I might toy with Dean working up some ghastly contraption or binding substances humans are addicted to with the blood...hmmm. I'll play around with this.

Even as a demon, Dean isn't stupid though. I don't doubt he'd have Sam in some sort of restraints that prevented him from using his whammy powers. Meanwhile, the blood thing is an addiction. Addiction makes you weak, not strong. Demon!Dean would totally feed him tiny bits to watch him sufffffffer. lololol

i could definitely see magical restraints as an option.....But i don't even see that in fic! It's mostly regular old rope which we've SEEN is not good enough. Personally I'm not sure anything would work. He's not angelic, but despite his more demonic characteristics on demon blood, those types of restraints don't seem to respond either so? Idk, fic could definitely make something up.

I'm OP

Is there any fic that explores this that isn't incest?

now that sounds interesting! I mean, I'm sure people could have different takes, but I would write it as Dean kind of exacting revenge on his brother, whom he loves, so he won't kill, but will punish for
a) he never got over the fact that Sam was Dad's favorite.
b) Sam sure liked that demon blood back when Meg was around
c) whatever else, it's been so long. probably resisting his empire and not being there.
d) he just wants him to be happy, and this is how he thinks he can take care of him.

I would read the hell out of a fic with just one of these scenarios.

ayrt

...it's been a while since I've written a SPN fic. If you have any pointers regarding (Season 7?/Knight of Hell Dean characterization, I'll write one and post it here for you to read -- in the GC thread, not this one obv, but...when it is done, I'll post, nonnie. Do you come here often?)

OMG That would be awesome! I don't have any pointers regarding characterization, but I'd love to read anything you come up with. And yes, I do come here often. :)

Yay! Okay!

Once it's done -- I'll have the link up for you.

I'm setting a deadline for myself or else it will never happen lol, but definitely by the end of summer (August) I'll have it up. Sorry it's so far in the future... :(((((

There will be no incest! Not my cuppa anyway, plus, their super codependent relationship is interesting enough to explore. And I love Dean <3

Let me know if any of those scenarios appeals to you more than the others!

No worries, take as long as you need! ^_^ And I love Dean as well. He's always been my fave. Hmm, maybe a combo of A and D if that's not too much trouble? Thank you again~! <3

You got it! ;)

Also, if you want, I've seen that AO3 has a "gift" option, so if you want, lmk your pseud (as they call it) and I can gift it to you there/you'll get an automatic alert. I also totally understand not wanting to post a username here, so no worries!

If not, stay tuned!

My pseud is KoYue. ^^

SPN fic is more complicated than I ever would have imagined.

Haha MTE. Haven’t written or read SPN fic in...7 or 8 years? And I thought it was convoluted then!

I think i've read a few BoyKing!Sam/Knight of Hell!Dean! summaries for fic before.
It's not my thing, so i haven't read the fic, but they're out there. Just not a lot of them.

I think people just like the idea of a drugged-up, dependent Sam and a possibly BDSM-kinky Dean with demonic powers.

Yeah, I'm certain it just hits a kink spot but I'm always wondering while reading the fic.

A lot, if not all, of Boyking!Sam/Knight of Hell!Dean are almost all Sam became King and made Dean Knight, and not the Sam tries to ~save~ Dean but becomes his blood slave scenario I'm talking about but I appreciate the heads up.

Maybe most of the old school Boyking fans are no longer around?

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