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Even if it might be problematic or whatnot?

Lots of things, probably, in spite of their problems.

First two things that spring to mind are Tolkien and the original Clash of the Titans movie.

I know people are constantly going on about Tolkien's lack of women and...idk some other racist stuff maybe but between the people who came after him never changing or improving on what they thought was a selling formula, and those who genuinely don't understand the man he was writing in the times he was, I feel like a lot of the criticism is, if not unwarranted, is at least disingenuous.

I am less apt to cut slack to an author who should have known better, at the time they were writing, and just didn't, than I would to someone who was legit exactly like every other author writing in the same time period. Hell, I even cut slack to L. Frank Baum who was writing in 1918 and thus had a lot of seriously uncomfortably sexist ideas...he was a product of his time and frankly his female characters have more agency than almost anything else written in the same time period, despite the "woman go in kitchen make food" level of sexism that sometimes comes across. It's a matter of balance, not viewing everything as if those writers were alive and well in the post-civil-rights era and should have fucking known better.

Yes, it bugs me particularly that people expect Tolkien to be "woke" by 21st century standards. He was a 19th century man ffs. How will anyone alive today measure up by the standards of over a hundred years from now?

What's interesting is that the last thing he wrote, a month before he died (iirc) is a story set in Middle-earth from the pov of a character encountering the colonising Numenoreans for the first time.

As for lack of women, that applies mostly to TH and LoTR and there are good reasons for the lack in both of these.

I cut a lot of slack based on when things were written. I still think even for the time Tolkien has a certain level of sexism that was above and beyond what would be expected, and maybe racism too. He's still my favorite author, though.

yeah, there's a secondary level of cultural sexism that comes from the religious background, though on the other hand there's also the whole writing-my-own-Norse-edda thing, and while some sagas had kickass ladies there is also a large amount of sausage in Asgard sooo....

it's complex and like other anon said, it definitely can't be held to 21st century wokeness. man sure can write, though.

Betty Boop and Casper cartoons. Watched them with my dad when I was kid so they have nostalgia.

Casper was incredibly fucked up. https://youtu.be/2pQvkos5kfU

Plus, some Betty Boop shorts had great music. https://youtu.be/N7VUU_VPI1E

oh my god I remember this one. the ONLY cartoon where casper very deliberately scared somebody (for a good cause).

I don't know if he counts, but Shane Dawson. A lot of his older stuff was hugely and wildly problematic and he hangs out with questionable company sometimes but damn it, he and his group of friends make me laugh.

Uggghhhh. JS is so fucking repulsive I just can't find any of it amusing.

I've only watched like one video of his with JS. I mostly prefer the ones where he and his friends are doing like "investigations" or talking about weird internet conspiracies and stuff like that.

It's not exactly old, but Robocop is still my favorite movie.

Robocop is a great film. I absolutely love it.

Such a great movie!

Jeeves and Bertie stories. hilarious but very much a product of the 1920's.
a lot of silent movies fall into this category too.

Private Snafu cartoon shorts from WWII. They are just a fascinating document of history, but also rife with things like racial caricatures. The part that I wasn't expecting was the upper frontal female nudity in what basically amounts to a Looney Tunes cartoon! (They were made by Warner Bros. and Mel Blanc voiced Snafu.) Discovering this was made all the weirder by the fact that I was watching these shorts on the U.S. National Archives YouTube channel.

Probably older books like The Secret Garden. I know that it was written during a different time, but Mary says and thinks some very unkind things about Indian people.

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