[ SECRET POST #4945 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4945 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Queer Eye]


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03.
[Criminal Minds]


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04.
[Dunkirk (2017)]


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05.
[Murder by Numbers (game)]


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06.
[Fights Break Sphere, aka Battle Through the Heavens]


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[Locke & Key]

























Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 31 secrets from Secret Submission Post #708.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

As a queer person myself, I honestly hate shit like this. When I say I want queer characters, I mean that I want interesting characters who are queer, not characters whose entire existence and personality revolves around being queer. That's not representation, that's tokenism.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

I agree.
I tend to avoid most medias with gay characters because even if they catch my interest for that reason my second thought will always be 'but are they characters or just puppets with the word "!GAY!" plastered all over them'. Like I hate it whenever a character is just there to be a trope or token, but unlike the backlash media can get with other examples (like what a character sole purpose is to be the damsel in distress) there are too many people gushing over the inclusion of a gay character rather than the quality of them
Hell, I'll purposely avoid fanfic with tags like 'he's gay and he owns it', or ' she's a lesbian I don't make the rules' (well, maybe not those specific ones but tags like that anyways) because that usually means the writer amped up the queer factor by a thousand and every other line about them is about how gay they are. I mean it's fine if someone else likes it, but like you can establish someone as being queer and leave it at that. It's not as if I'm going to assume they're straight all of a sudden just because they're not a stereotype or it been longer than three seconds without mentioning just how queer they really are or whatever.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

Hell yes this.

But there's also what the anon below said: nowadays some discourse seem to go the "go full-on 'out and proud queer' or don't go queer at all" way/mindset, because making a character confused, closeted, ambiguous or just not-too-vocal-about-their-sexuality-or-lack-thereof is supposedly "for the cishets" ; which is totally unrealistic and even boring from a character creation/writing point of view IMHO but some folks (esp. youth) seem to find comfort in those utopias or perhaps even relate better (as in: these characters aren't realistic but they're just like online me). On a personal level I usually dismiss it as "maybe I'm old, give me the cishet-appeasing stuff". (Of course, I'd rather have well-written stuff with characters who happen to be lgbt+ over both any day.)

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, made a secret about a character who is canonically in denial of being a lesbian and shows signs of internalized homophobia when it comes up, but the fandom ignores all this and pretends she can't do anything but talk about what a big gay she is. I said her canon self would be perfect for interesting fics where she overcomes her denial, and a young lesbian anon reacted like I'd killed her puppy.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

Yess. Like hell, I've been dealing with this so much lately!!

It's completely ridiculous, imo, If people like, relate, or feel, for that character. Eliminating the canon aspect of those troubles might as well be throwing up a big middle finger at everything anyone facing such a crisis might go through in order to accept themselves and work towards being comfortable with who they are.
Because you are absolutely right 100%. Working out a fic where she accepts and deals with her denial and homophobia would not only be more interesting, (let alone accurate). It'd be more beneficial to the people who actually relate to her, and need that comfort that fiction always gives, that if she can get through this, then maybe I can too. Rather than skip the details and getting lost in the delusion that making her as gay as possible is more feeding into a pipe dream rather than as an existence that could be had.

The young lesbian who reacted to you in such a way is very clearly is still going through some issues of her own. If she can tolerate the character in canon, but cannot conceive the idea that she could be anything other than a broken record of scratching on and over again what a big queer she is, then quite frankly I'm concerned for her.