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Have Americans recently been telling you personally that Americans are exceptional, or is your domestic news media choosing to focus on the US a lot without regard to how much Americans actually care if you think they're exceptional?

nayrt

Yes. All the time. Even in this thread in fact, the way you people get so defensive about this sort of thing is insane. At least North Korea keeps to themselves with all their brainwashed nonsense.

Which specific posts in this thread do you consider "brainwashed" or do you think are saying that "Americans are exceptional"? Please link them. It should be really easy! There's about 5 posts in this thread!

"...you people..." <--- Think on that for a second and see how seriously you'd be taken if you were talking about any other group.

"At least North Korea keeps to themselves with all their brainwashed nonsense." <--- They 'keep to themselves' because their government censors and oppresses them. Of all the examples to use, that isn't one that helps your argument in the slightest.

Also, not everyone reading and responding to this thread is an American - that includes both people who agree and disagree.

ayrt

It's cute that you pretend to not notice my intention to be inflammatory to try and defend a long defeated point.
Point in case, the fact that 'you americans' (yes! meant to be derogatory as I am talking to all you dumbfucks too brainwashed to acknowledge another cultures opinion even and especially when you agree because americans are raised since birth to believe that they are greater than any other nation on the planet- or scratch that, they are the ONLY country worthwhile in the entire universe.)

The fact 'you people' proved exactly both of OP's points in the fist two comments that were posted is extremely telling. Especially with you, unable to stand any criticism to your country that isn't verified by an american veiwpoint, by pathetically denying that american exceptionalism is actually in any case a thing. Seen here:

Have Americans recently been telling you personally that Americans are exceptional, or is your domestic news media choosing to focus on the US a lot without regard to how much Americans actually care if you think they're exceptional?

Grade A american answer btw! Expecting the ayrt to be full of shit because you personally haven't recognized the americanisms of you and your fellow americans. Classic! By the book right there! Not to forget that panties in a pinch remark right after because being defensive as fuck doesn't disprove your point in any way, I'm sure.

And then there's the proof. First comment, proving that an american believes their country to be the best regardless of truth!:

I have kind of the opposite problem, I'm American and I'm constantly being told how much better the Scandinavian countries are and I should go live there. I say I've never been there and ask what specific things are better and they get pissed and don't tell me. I tried googling it and the only thing I got that sounded really good was there's less pollution there. The rest of it doesn't affect me directly, for example, I got told college is free there but I don't want to go back to college, especially since I can't speak any Scandinavian languages anyway.

House here makes her first mistake by feeling the need to announce they are AMERICAN, because all americans feel the need to provide such information if only because they're influenced since birth to believe that america is the only country that matters in the world.
The actual issue reigns in the seemingly unaware refusal to admit that a country (globally accepted to be the best, or one of the best places to live for years now) because... reasons. (aka, as an american only america is the place to live regardless of reality)
They mention lack of pollution, free college, (all things that are extremely beneficial to live in as by a social and economic means) say they researched it themselves, which is a complete either a complete lie or more likely the brainwashing of america yet again kicking in where they went in with a disbelief and resolutely denied any evidence that the countries mentioned, (or any country for that matter) is in anyway better than america. Fact be told if only that Scandinavian countries are known for being multilingual, most residents speak english, some fluently others less so, but still a clear lie in what House attempted to say.
All in all proving OP's first point, (america is the BEST point) that america is the best place in the world regardless of reality.

Comment Two: Anon.

I feel like every American here probably feels bad enough about the country right now without you yelling at us about how annoying American exceptionalism is (which, singling American exceptionalism out also feels like a slightly self-contradictory way to deal with American exceptionalism in the first place, but whatever)

Yet again the first mistake, one that is specifically american, is to talk about how the OP's comment is solely based on a personal insult to them by condemning the ignorant and arrogant way most every american acts throughout their day to day lives. Pretending that as an american they're getting the absolute brunt of the hurt, and therefore are the only ones allowed to complain about it. Goes out of their way to condemn someone else on an opinion despite the fact the both share it because they think they have more 'right' to feel something about it/aka are the only ones allowed to.
This anon is specially proving the 'america is the worst' angle OP mentioned as well.

Literally in the first two comments OP had all of their annoyances repeated to themselves in the typical for of thoughtless american ignorance.

Now on to the brainwashing!
The problem with america is that they learn, are told about, and taught nothing but america. You can ask 1,000 americans where the most southern point in the Americas is located, and a significant amount of them will say Florida, a few the US Virgin Islands (probably if they're from there), and the bare minimum with answer correctly. This is purposeful ignorance. That when taught at a very young age unto adulthood maps are cut off at the borders, geography is about what state is located where, and world history is the impact america has made in the world through war. (all told through propaganda filtering) This is because the government for a multitude of decades now have been using the excuse of 'war' common phrased the word as a means to derive support on what is nothing less than war crime and profiteering. (see: Regan)
You wouldn't blame a North Korean for who they are because they know nothing else. But an american is not shut into their own prison sort of bubble, most choose to live within it. America is a third world country masquerading as a first world Goliath. Brought up from birth to only know america, and told how great it is to live there.

The countries fucked, and the bottom line is that people are still going to vote for trump. And I don't even mean all those disgusting racist assholes, but those brainwashed by their culture to vote for their 'party', because not matter the monster elected, they're going to be better than whatever some democrat could manage.

Does this rant make sense? Probably not. Am I gonna post this wall of text to prove a point? Yes I am.
Point being that anyone and everyone who has had to deal with this argument before has dealt with it a thousand times. There's not point in arguing because americans with this idiotic mindset cannot be argued with. They're either too lost within their own set of values and reality nothing gets through, or the simply refuse to listen to anything by differal. It's exhausting is what it is.

Too bad not being American didn't make you any more enlightened about humanity or less of an insufferable asshole yourself.

But congrats. You're smart and superior. Americans are dumb children who wouldn't know their own assholes from a hole in the ground. Is that what you want to hear? Well, there you go. Armed with your perceived "Aha's!" and "Gotcha's!", you have now achieved your greatest purpose in life, so now you can finally feel good about yourself. A winner is you.

by pathetically denying that american exceptionalism is actually in any case a thing.

Nobody denied that American exceptionalism has ever been a thing. People asked how it has particularly affected you recently and how, specifically, American exceptionalist messages were reaching and filtering through to you. To characters that as 'denying that American exceptionalism is in any case a thing' is patently ridiculous.

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by pathetically denying that american exceptionalism is actually in any case a thing.

Nobody denied that American exceptionalism has ever been a thing. People asked how it has particularly affected you recently and how, specifically, American exceptionalist messages were reaching and filtering through to you. To characters that as 'denying that American exceptionalism is in any case a thing' is patently ridiculous.

<First comment, proving that an american believes their country to be the best regardless of truth!

You can say a lot about greghousesgf's post, and I'm not going to get into the merits or correctness of the post because I don't think it's very relevant to the point. And you seem extremely angry about it, accusing her of lying and being brainwashed, but again, it's not really germane to the point about American exceptionalism.

But here's what is relevant to the point - you describe the post as saying that "an American believes their country to be the best regardless of truth", and that is a wildly inaccurate reading of that post. It is not what was said. At most, what greghousesgf said was that America is no worse than Europe, and that living in Europe instead of the US would make their personal life no better. Again, you can disagree with that argument if you want. But there is a fundamental difference between saying that American is the best, and saying that America is no worse than other countries. Whether it's right or wrong, it's not American exceptionalism.

Comment Two: Anon.

American exceptionalism is a bad thing that Americans do. I think we can both agree with that. The post that you're responding does not disagree that American exceptionalism is wrong or that there are bad things about America or that Americans can be annoying. At most, it asks whether it's useful and relevant to bring it up, in 2020, at a time when the US is going through massive turbulence and unrest, and on a board where very few posters are actually particularly American exceptionalists or jingoists. Again, you can agree with that, or you can disagree with that, but I really don't see how that's American exceptionalism.

I do note a general theme that's emerging here: you seem to understand "American exceptionalism" to mean "anything that an American does that annoys me", rather than what it actually means, which is "the belief that American is unique or exceptional compared to all other nations". And I understand that you are mad about all the things Americans do that annoy you, but I hope you can understand how it's confusing to us when you start by talking about the specific topic of American exceptionalism, and then pivot into a general anti-American rant (however justified or unjustified).

The problem with america is that they learn, are told about, and taught nothing but america... America is a third world country masquerading as a first world Goliath. Brought up from birth to only know america, and told how great it is to live there. The countries fucked, and the bottom line is that people are still going to vote for trump. And I don't even mean all those disgusting racist assholes, but those brainwashed by their culture to vote for their 'party', because not matter the monster elected, they're going to be better than whatever some democrat could manage.

Yeah, so, I think what people find frustrating about this stuff is less that we disagree with what you're saying. I don't think anyone has even attempted to argue that ignorance is good or that diehard Republican voters have justifiable political views. What's frustrating is more that pretty much every American poster on this message board ardently disagrees with the views that you describe here, and is suffering as a result of living in the same country with people who do hold those views.

And also, the fact that you seem to consider literally any response to your arguments as an example of American exceptionalism that proves your point. That is also annoying.

fucked up my goddamn html

"I'm going to insult an entire country"

"Damn, I can't believe people living in that country take offense to my insult, that's crazy. I was just being honest, those ingrates"

lmao

I don't think the US is perfect, but hearing about how hellish it is to live here from people who don't live here gives us every right to be defensive. It's the same as any other case of being told by someone else that they know your experiences better than you do. We're also lectured about this by people who think they were told the absolute truth about how wonderful their own country is and believe it, while accusing Americans who know very well about their country's problems of thinking America is perfect.

NAYRT, but I've lived in the US and I've lived in other countries. It seriously depends on what they're telling you is hellish. Are they appalled about 'isms? Yeah, most of them have at least as much casual racism and sexism as the US, although in some places it manifests differently. Are they horrified that you can go into crippling debt for needing an ambulance and that any idiot with a driver's license can buy a semi-automatic off the back of a pickup truck at a gun show in major swathes of the country? Yeah, no, that's on us. If it bothers you, do something to fix it.

If it bothers you, do something to fix it.

we're trying, you jackass

nayrt

What's with the name-calling? Ayrt did nothing to warrant it.

Their news media tells them that most Americans believe America is the greatest. They believe their news media because it's completely objective and not nationalistic at all, unlike American news media.

lol

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