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FFS it's not like the woman was personally harassing anyone. For the record, I DON'T like her, but the reaction is LUDICROUS.

She was responsible for the organization as a whole, she saw the kind of toxic treatment and bullying and she was aware of the working conditions, and she didn't do anything about it. It was her responsibility as the person in charge of the whole thing to take that kind of thing seriously, and she didn't. That's a bad thing to do. It is bad. Shitty workplace cultures are bad and she, as the person in overall charge of the workplace, allowed it to be shitty and enabled people who were bullies.

I don't see, at all, how the reaction is ludicrous.

I think it's bizarre to fixate on her just because she's the biggest name involved instead of the people who were actually guilty of harassing or demeaning their subordinates.

Because a person at the top overlooking and excusing toxic behavior is how toxic behavior is able to exist and continue for long periods of time. And because we in this country are already far too inclined to give powerful people passes for things like this, especially ones that are celebrities, and far too willing to just shrug our shoulders and not care about the rights of workers.

Are the harassing, demeaning executives more morally culpable than Ellen, yes, absolutely. But Ellen is also morally culpable. And if we want to have a culture that actually takes the rights of workers seriously, we have to hold people in Ellen's position accountable for failures like this, not just let them off the hook as if it's "just a few bad apples".

Thank you, ffs.

I'm sure the employees who were abused by her exec producers appreciate that Ellen was only unaware of the toxic culture on her set and didn't personally harass them.

How is someone who is not aware of or personally guilty of something responsible for it at the same time?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negligence

Negligence of a group of adults. Okay.

I don't understand how that's a mitigating factor.

You said she wasn't aware of it. If she was not aware of it, she should have been aware of it. It was her responsibility as a person in charge of the workplace to be aware of it. So her being unaware of it is not an excuse, because in being unaware of it, she was neglecting her responsibility as the person in charge of the workplace.

She isn't in charge of the workplace, though? You're really showing that you have zero idea of what show business is really like. She's the face, and she gets the final vote on things written for the show. Like, end of. She's not the boss.

I understand being protective of her, lord knows people hate lesbians, but come on. Not caring what goes on in a workplace that has *her* name on it is not a good look to say the least.

NAYRT

What suggests she doesn't care though?

Well, she didn't do anything about it until it became a national news story

So either she didn't care enough to do anything about it, or she didn't care enough to know that it was going on

She made a public apology, so on the public side, there's nothing else she can do.

That's a fair point.

It is possible that she cares now, but it seems pretty clear that she did not care previously.

So let's cancel her for ever being an accessory to somebody else being toxic?

I don't know what "cancel" means in this context. I definitely don't think her show needs to be canceled. But I also don't think we should make excuses for her doing a shitty thing by running a shitty, abusive, toxic workplace, whether negligently or not. People should be criticized for that, because it's a shitty thing to do.

How about, let's not let her off the hook for running a workplace where people were regularly being abused, and where she seems to have been aware that people were regularly being abused and chose to allow it to continue, just because she happens to be a lesbian who accomplished important things in the past.

Can it not be argued that you have already achieved this aim by bringing attention to it? Her reputation is already seriously damaged, so how hasn't she already paid for her subordinates being toxic to their subordinates?

NAYRT

Given the number of people in this thread who think it's fine because she's a lesbian and she didn't abuse any workers personally, it seems reasonable to say that this end has not been achieved!

lmfao What do you want? There's no jail of public opinion and no criminal charges for not ensuring that your subordinates are telling the truth when they say everything's fine. What would you suggest? She apologized a number of times privately and began an investigation into claims, she apologized publicly. What exactly should the next action be? Self-flagellation?

What I want is for people to stop saying that it's NBD and making excuses for her

When people say it's NBD and make excuses for her, I think they're wrong

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She has an executive producer credit and, by all accounts, is heavily involved in the creative side of the show at the very least. This is not a case where all she does is show up, get on stage and read her lines.

Also, per accounts, she literally witnessed instances of her executives bullying people and did nothing.

Aren't there people claiming that she herself could be pretty unpleasant to her employees and sometimes to the guests on the show?

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