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⌈ Secret Post #5059 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think soulmates AUs are creepy and boring. (I’ve never liked omega verse shit - like, what? dogrape world gets you off? sure? but there’s something deeply, deeply troubling about it and the way i, among much else, exists to induce circumstances wherein a man raping another man with specific feminized traits is permissible and even romantic. Which like...oh, boy, could we unpack that for years.)

But soulmates AUs are just so boring. Like. So boring. And there’s something so tiresome about seeing a great premise for a fic that then casually is like oh btw it’s a soulmate au. Like...why?

[tabaqui]

......not all, or even most, A/B/O is non-con.

[(Anonymous)]

Seconding this.

Also, not all, or even most, a/b/o is more than perfunctorily dog-based.

[tabaqui]

Exactly.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

IDK, I understand where anon is coming from, since the set-up of the worldbuilding in a lot of omegaverse fics that I've read (at least, in my fandoms, IDK what the most common kinds in your fandoms are and you might not have this in mind) kind of inherently has some consent issues. In fic where the set-up is a biologically determined almost fuck or die kind of thing, I think it's a similar area to sex pollen fic, even if the overall situation isn't supposed to be negative or unwanted for the characters.

[(Anonymous)]

It kind of is. In the real world, a woman can be into men, but she can also be into women, or both. In omegaverse, the idea that an omega could be with anyone other than an alpha is absurd, they are biologically forced to have sex with the "gender" that subjugates oppresses them, and if they choose not to, they suffer horrible pain and discomfort as a consequence. And any time heat suppressants are mentioned, it's in the context of them failing at an inopportune moment. That's a horrifyingly dystopian and inherently rapey worldbuilding.

[tabaqui]

In the A/B/O i read, they are biologically *attracted* to Alphas, but have sex with whoever they want.

[(Anonymous)]

That doesn't make it better, it just makes it sad that they feel they have to have sex with people they're not attracted to.

[tabaqui]

Dude, whatever. I don't read non-con or rape fic, and the pairings I'm reading in the A/B/O world, there *is* attraction. Our attraction is biologically driven, as well, just not quite as overt.

It's not 'fuck or die', it's 'wow i want to fuck someone and this person is okay, this person is okay, THIS person pings all my YES YES YES buttons'.

You need to read better A/B/O

[(Anonymous)]

We generally do not suffer physical torment if we refuse to fuck the nearest person of the gender we're attracted to every month. That's an inherently squicky aspect of A/B/O that makes it unpleasant for me to read. A/B/O is essentially an obligatory pseudo!het world, and I don't like that in my smut. The only "better" A/B/O fic I would like to read would be one, where there is zero biological determinism, heats don't require an alpha's cock to satisfy, and where not only women sorry omegas get penetrated. In fact, give me an alpha/alpha and omega/omega fic for a change. I don't read m/m, because I'm hoping to see pseudo!het in it and that's what omegaverse is.

[(Anonymous)]

Tabaqui - not logged in.

I guess I'm not getting what it is you want. How is A/B/O 'obligatory pseudo!het'? It's two individuals having penetrative sex (usually). That's not 'pseudo!het', that's just sex.

I have read any number of A/B/O where the person 'in heat' (A or O) doesn't fuck 'the nearest person' - they either have a partner, or they use toys, or they suppress it (a big thing in the A/B/O world), and just have random sex with whoever. And I have read 'omega fucks alpha' fic.

I only read m/m, so I can't help you re: recs, but there *is* a/a and o/o sex out there in the A/B/O world.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

Omegas can get pregnant. Let's start there, because this is a huge part of a/b/o. You can't get away from it, because so much omegaverse fiction focuses on heats, and well, heats are estrus. Even if the omega is on birth control, that has to be established in-text.

And all of that is uncomfortably het, especially for a female reader. If that's a feature, not a bug, then whatever, but you can't say that you'd find any of this in traditional m/m erotica.

[(Anonymous)]

How is it "het"? Mpreg = specifically cis men getting pregnant by magic or weird science or whatever, has been a common trope in fanfic for DECADES. A/B/O is just another flavor of worldbuilding to support it. The whole point of mpreg is having MEN get pregnant. (For me, I always saw it as - wouldn't reproduction be better if MEN had to do carry the parasite and do the terrifying painful body horror thing to make it happen? It's just a fantasy.) Reproduction doesn't determine gender, so a pregnant man is still a man.

[(Anonymous)]

Penetrative sex skewing so heavily toward het tropes that the omegas for all intents and purposes have a vagina instead of an asshole. What's not clicking.

[(Anonymous)]

Many of the omegaverse fics I've read literally refer to being alpha/beta/omega divide as their "gender". You can't really pretend it isn't about gender, when the fic writers write that into the text itself.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

I'm AYRT, btw. And don't get me wrong, I don't think there's anything wrong with exploring gender norms in a fantasy setting, with a sub-caste of men in place of women. It simply doesn't appeal to me to see these gender norms played out. And sure, there's a tiny handful of a/a and o/o fics, but they're an extreme minority, usually in fandoms that I'm not interested in.

[(Anonymous)]

SA x2

Adding to this: I guess the reason it's so frustrating to em is because I would love all of those physical aspects of A/B/O, if they weren't accompanied by a social hierarchy that's hard to distinguish from that in Handmaid's Tale, or real world sexism. I would love the heats, I would love the knotting, I would love the D/s, I would even tolerate mpreg, but it's the idea that someone is born into a society with a biologically pre-determined "womanly" role and it's constantly reminded to us that they are forced into this box, that's just extremely triggering to me. I read m/m to escape that gender-based oppression in sex. To imagine a situation where a partner is subbing because they just personally happen to like that for no reason in particular, not because it's expected of people with their biology to like that.

[(Anonymous)]

God yes, all of this.

[(Anonymous)]

+10000

[(Anonymous)]

You need to read better A/B/O

Lol, I need this on a fucking t-shirt. The number of people I see talk shit about a/b/o who clearly don't know what they're talking about because they've barely read any a/b/o and never bothered to find the good stuff before judging the entire trope as a whole is...well, it's a big number.

I agree with everything you're saying itt.

[tabaqui]

I'm just.... CURATE YOUR SHIT.
Holy gods. There's lots of stuff I don't like. CURATE.
Yeeesh.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree about soulmate AUs. If they're meant to be fluffy, "we will find each other anywhere" romances, okay, I understand that, not my thing but perfectly comprehensible. The ones I don't get are the ones where it's angsty when you know perfectly well what's going to happen, or a retelling of canon exactly the same but with a soulbond.