[ SECRET POST #5134 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5134 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Law and Order: SVU]


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[The Untamed - Sect Leader Yao/Sect Leader Ouyang]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

SA

It's not really coherent world building. Many times it's downright confusing! And God Emperor of Dune read like it was written on drugs. (Yes, I got that far somehow.) I can agree with you.

Compared to Asimov which was a lot of very lean, very dry 'let's discuss technology' and I can't really remember a bit of it in the Foundation series, or Bradbury who was writing very short things, or Heinlein who was either writing children's fiction or for his adult fiction leaving half the information you needed out completely. Heinlein, specifically, didn't start writing more fleshed out things until the 80s.

Herbert at least HAD world building. It was ecological, social, and some political scifi before it was even really a THING. Tolkien was much clearer. Tolkien and Herbert were two very different people. I'd much rather worldbuild like Tolkien over Herbert.

[(Anonymous)]

okay, compared to Heinlein, you got me there. I haven't read enough Asimov to have an opinion but I see your framing now. and a solid UGH FUCK YOU to Heinlein.

[cloudtrader]

Wait, what's wrong with Heinlein?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT so I can't exactly say what their issues with Heinlein are, but I definitely agree that Heinlein mostly sucks

A couple of his books are OK (particularly Moon is a Harsh Mistress). But I don't think he was a very strong writer in general, and has a strong tendency towards bloviating; and he had a lot of old-fashioned, traditional, right-wing views on things. He had deeply weird ideas about women, often tending to support very outdated gender roles even at the same time as he portrayed outspoken and strong-willed female characters, and also a lot of his books just have weird stuff around race and sex (I am sorry, but it is weird to write a book in which the authorial stand-in main character travels back in time to have sex with his own mother). He was very much a right-wing libertarian for most of his writing career - Starship Trooper, for instance, grew out of Heinlein's staunch anti-communism and his opposition to attempts at detente with the Soviets. And he wrote a book (Sixth Column) that's undeniably racist, as well as another (Farnham's Freehold) that I would argue is racist in its own right. In general, he just had that very old-fashioned arrogant smartest-man-in-the-universe attitude that's common among a certain kind of (usually male, usually older, usually libertarian, often worked in engineering) science fiction fan.