[ SECRET POST #5161 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5161 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

I'm white-passing and I used to have a problem with Korean pop music having so much rap, to be fair, because I used to think that rap = black music and that felt kinda appropriating, until I realized the problem was my notion. Yeah, w/e Korean kids think they're gangstah because they "rap" and wear chains. It's funny, but it's obviously not what the culture originally stood for. I just think it'd be more fair for everyone to dissociate one thing from the other, like has happened to many music genres/styles that changed from their roots because that'd stop some unfortunate implications (from appropriating clothes/hairstyles/etc to prejudiced notions which, yeah, some Koreans might have because they don't talk to black people often. Or white people either for that matter). In k-pop fandom there's a term for it - Korean hip hop, or khh - because yeah, they're clearly doing something inspired in American black hiphop culture but it IS already something else too at this point.

[meadowphoenix]

cool, that it's "funny" to you, lmao, but it's not funny to me that racism travels. and assuming that disassociating symbols from their culture, while the culture still exists and uses the symbols and operates in a world in which they are oppressed for them, will stop negatives from being applied to that original culture because they've been "changed" (or that invisibility of the original culture while the changed and disassociated symbols are propagated is good, which is the other option) is pure ignorant delusion. hope you figure that out one day.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, just to let you know that I'm not American and all I know is my own POV. And I won't be harassed into listening to yours if you're not willing to listen to mine.

The way cultural products reached other countries through media 30 years ago, before the advent of the World Wide Web was exactly as such: media conglomerates shared it without any context, and that was all we really knew. If we wanted to know anything about the cultural context we had to find sources. In that sense you can say racism travels because those global media conglomerates were going to mix and match the contents in whatever ways they wanted to make unassuming people interpret it in certain ways (ie. black people rough !! or whatever shit). Yes. But the fault is of the media conglomerates, not the fucking kids' is all I was saying.

To most Korean kids who were "emulating American hiphop culture etc" in KHH those are less likely to be symbols of resistance to racism than clothes/accessories they saw on TV from powerful people in a wealthy nation no less. I wouldn't dare talk about the big scheme of things because as I have already repeated far too many times ITT I don't know shit about it and wouldn't dare pretend I do. All I am trying to do is share is that yes KHH is a thing and if you have a problem with it, have a problem with it, not with BTS or whatever. But if you do, be aware that A LOT of Korean cultural products suffered the same thanks to Hallyu (not to mention Japanese products which are... something else) so it IS a loaded discussion anyway.

[meadowphoenix]

But the fault is of the media conglomerates, not the fucking kids' is all I was saying.
And this my disagreement friend. You're conflating reception with reproduction as if not being able to fault one means not being able to fault the other. That's not the case, especially once the product was meant for global reproduction. I think you just find it unfair that korean artists are getting tagged for appropriation when you don't believe they could have possibly known to avoid it. But that's the thing about responsibility. If you want the power (money, global recognition), responsible global propagation too is your obligation. If you want US penetration, deal with US concepts of culture. As you've said, these groups have had 30 years (30 years of complaints too) to know better.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, or just keep to their internal markets I guess and die in the hands of neocolonialism because Americans can't take not being the center of the universe.

Good night.

[meadowphoenix]

You don't have to listen to our music or reproduce it, lmao. And you definitely don't have to take US money for your art!