[ SECRET POST #5173 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5173 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[No Such Thing As a Fish (podcast)]



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02.
[Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy]


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03.
[Luxuria Superbia]


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06. [SPOILERS]



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07. [SPOILERS for Torment: Tides of Numenera]



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08. [WARNING for discussion of assault/abuse]



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09. [WARNING for underage]



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10. [WARNING for discussion of assault/abuse]


















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #740.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, the one that still gets me all the time is Team Rocket. I feel like I should be offended that they keep putting James in dresses for laughs, but James just does not gaf and totally leans into it, and Jessie is totally cool with it and plays along, and so it's not like it's seen as humiliating the characters. They're clearly having fun!

I worry that people might think that gender-nonconformity is just comic relief or something, but then some of my trans friends actively hold up James as one of their trans icons, so... I dunno.

(And I mean... "Prepare for trouble, and a dance!" "I'm wearing tights instead of pants!" ...How can you not laugh at something so dumb?)

[(Anonymous)]

Idk, I may be a little too old but I don't get kids of nowadays' trans discourse. If you are genuinely offended by people of a certain gender wearing clothes coded as being "for" the opposite gender... Please, get a life? Everyone should wear whatever clothes they wish to?

Having said this, I'm pretty... Unhappy-with-the-idea-of-gender-itself and I love James!

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT and not really a kids-these-days age, but I feel it's usually less an issue with clothing being gender coded than the fact that it's often specifically gender coded to garner laughs.

Whereas when James wears stuff that's usually female-coded, it's not to make fun of the fact that he's 'omg wearing girls clothes' (that I've noticed), if that makes sense?

[(Anonymous)]

(Initial commenting anon)

Yeah, that was the thing. I have seen a couple trans friends point out instances of "oh ho ho saying this woman is really a man or putting a man in a dress, ha ha, truly comic genius", and it kind of seems like the "running gag" of James in coded female clothing (and we won't even get into the bikini contest) might have been intended that way, at least at the start...

But now it's just one of the odd quirks about them, not the slightest bit shocking or even unexpected, and they're clearly enjoying it rather than being embarrassed. And I mean, there was the time James disguised himself as Jessie for NON-comic reasons, so I (also coming to realize that I am not as gender-binary as I assumed for the first few decades of my life because I didn't have any explanation of it) am at this point taking it as the two of them having fun and not giving a crap about gender roles, whether or not it was originally intended for laughs.

[(Anonymous)]

I always perceived it as James being kinda genderfluid or at least enjoying femme presentation, because although it was sometimes played for laughs, it didn't feel shameful to me. He was just out there rocking it next to his best gal pal. Honestly I think a lot of my appreciation for gender fuckery came from Team Rocket.

[(Anonymous)]

Most of the tension between trans people and drag queens is about what's said on stage, not what is worn. Some people use the mask of drag to say really ugly things about cis and trans women. But as far as I know, no one is dragging Billy Porter for doing magazine spreads in designer gowns (not the least because he uses his clout to promote trans peers.)

[(Anonymous)]

I agree, some drag acts I’ve seen rely very heavily on extremely misogynistic humor.

Like, I understand how drag is sort of its own critique or satire of gender roles or society’s idea of femininity in some ways but there’s a couple performers that take it to a place that seems hateful and bitter towards women themselves. Honestly kind of reminds me of some mean girls I grew up with who bullied me for being black while appropriating our slang and hair styles...

Unsurprisingly, two of the performers I’m thinking of had very derogatory things to say about trans women outside of their performances as well.

Disclaimer, of course, to say I know far more Queens who are kind, loving, talented people who don’t

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's a Peter Monn video, where he acknowledges that a certain type of humor is part of "drag culture" but it's only funny when you're onstage and IC. If you don't turn it off when you go out into every day life, you're just being rude.

(it seems like a subtweet at a certain crowd of young gay male beauty gurus who like to lean into drag culture style humor but they just end up coming off as unnecessarily mean, in particular toward their largely cis female audience, because life isn't a professional drag show)

[(Anonymous)]

Posted too soon sorry