[ SECRET POST #5176 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5176 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Hmm. That's how people rolled in the 1870s, though. Manifest Destiny and all that.

I also don't see any landowners in 2021 looking up which tribe lived on their property 150 years ago and signing over the deed to give it back, so...*shrug*.

The history of everywhere is people moving into other people's land, sometimes fighting for it and sometimes trading for it/the land is subject to a treaty. But it's a novel and not a history book either so, whatever.

[(Anonymous)]

There were people who denounced American policy towards settlement and treatment of natives in the 19th century. It's true that this is how most people in America felt and it is what actually happened. The history is what it is. But that doesn't mean that it was universally accepted at the time.

I think this kind of point of view is a pretty widespread way of simplifying history, and it's an ahistorical fantasy that presents the past as though ideas of justice or common humanity are newfangled wild inventions that some people came up with in the 1960s. And that's not at all accurate.

[sabotabby]

Hmm. That's how people rolled in the 1870s, though. Manifest Destiny and all that.

That's how (most) white people rolled in the 1870s, and now.

The "most people were racist in history" thing is always a fascinating statement to me, as it subtly implies that those they were racist against weren't...people?

[(Anonymous)]

Most people throughout history moved onto other pieces of land when their fields wouldn't yield crops or when their hunted animals were sparse.

They didn't really care if some other tribe was there first.

This is why many continents are littered with arrowheads and bones.

[sabotabby]

Did you know that people throughout history killed each other. So we shouldn't care about genocide. What an astute, edgy take you have!

[(Anonymous)]

You do know that historically, it hasn't just been white people moving around and claiming other people's land for themselves, right?

[sabotabby]

Did you know that people throughout history killed each other. So we shouldn't care about genocide. What an astute, edgy take you have!

[philstar22]

This. Historically people have done it. White people, because of factors mostly out of their control like where they were located in the world, the times when they began doing it, diseases they unknowingly brought with them, had unfair advantages and were able to do it better. And then white people managed to ramp it up massively, make it very specifically about racial superiority, do it basically worldwide, and still continue to justify their past use of it, to benefit from their use of it in the past, and to still use it right up to today.

[(Anonymous)]

Hmm. That's how people rolled in the 1870s, though. Manifest Destiny and all that.

Yep. And it was super racist. It was still racist even if modern day people don't personally make reparations. The history you speak of was full of racist acts. I guess I'm not sure what your point is.

[(Anonymous)]

My point is that I'm tired of people being surprised that older works are racist or sexist. Of course they are.

[philstar22]

I don't think people are surprise? People are just pointing it out. Because pointing it out is important. Even in older works. Yes, it is going to exist. Yes, we should still read older works. But we shouldn't just ignore the racism or sexism. We need to point it out and talk about it. And then enjoy or not enjoy those works in spite of that stuff.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't have any siblings, cousins, kids, or blood relatives with kids, so if the Chumash want my, idk, 1/16th acre? I could leave it to whatever their governing body is. They'd probably get more use from selling it for the value of the land, though.

[(Anonymous)]

...and you're right, OP, if I wanted to leave my property to the locals, I'd have to talk to the Kumeyaay.

[(Anonymous)]

I was gonna say that the Muwinina could have my land, and then I remembered I'm broke AF and don't own a damn thing. Nevermind! *If* I had land, I could leave it to the local Aboriginal Council.