[ SECRET POST #5176 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5176 ⌋

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Comments

[tabaqui]

Yes, it was racist, yes, Ma hated Indians, yes Pa thought it was better to 'use' the land then just let it lie fallow like the Indigenous people did.

It's a book of its time. I hated what Ma said and was super-angry at the Indians having to leave. Still love the books, and the story, and the people.

I was mad about Jack, too, but then - that's how people did. My ex SO's grandparents thought of animals as working parts of the farm, and didn't really treat them as pets, and while they weren't actively cruel or anything, it wasn't anything like how ex SO treats his dog, or we treated/treat the cats. Just...different mind-set, different times.

[meadowphoenix]

I think there's a difference between "these attitudes were of the times" and "this book presents these attitudes as natural, normal, and valid" and I think it does the latter. I mean, not to Dr. Seuss it, because the Wilder estate would never, but I think we can leave the people who love it with fond memories, but otherwise let it fade from prominent children's lit.

[(Anonymous)]

This. The views don't get challenged much. The books sort of hint that Mrs. Ingalls' views aren't very nice or accurate, but they don't quarrel with Mr. Ingalls' views even though they're still racist, just slightly less racist.

[tabaqui]

I would say it's a good way to talk to your child about racism and the way we treated the Native Americans, and how fucked up some people's views were, and how that let them just ignore what was going on.

But to each their own.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean... the books mention how important it was to have a dog for security reasons. In a country where you can't just go to the pet store or the animal shelter and get another one, it makes sense to take care of your dog because he's a valuable creature, right? So doesn't it make more sense (even from a more detached 'he's not a pet he's a working animal' point of view to maybe... not risk your dog drowning?

[tabaqui]

I think that Ma probably was more worried about the kids, and the wagon flipping, and Pa about the same thing, and actually getting across, and it just didn't enter their minds. The dog was a *dog* - he was tough and he'd walked all that way and he could take care of himself.

Would I ever do that? Of course not.