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[ SECRET POST #5184 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5184 ⌋

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I don't get this, tbh. Sometimes bad people are LGBT in the real world, there's no reason why bad people wouldn't sometimes be LGBT in fiction. Fiction shouldn't be sanitized and made wholly palatable, even for queer folks-- that would be boring. And I say this as a lesbian. I like messy, fucked up queer headcanons.

THIS. As a queer woman, I'm so sick and tired of the overwhelming trend in fandom that F/F must be uwu pure soft lesbians. Give me the messy relationships, the unhealthy power dynamics, the fucked-up stuff that you see everywhere in M/F and M/M ships but somehow the moment you want to put that into an F/F ship HOW DARE YOU.

AYRT

There's a good chance you've already seen it, but have you ever seen The L Word? Man, you wanna talk about messy lesbian relationships. It's so good.

I've written my share of messed-up F/F, including 'they're both assassins', 'yeah, someone's going to be betrayed to the death squads by the end of this', and 'psychic, at the first kiss, realises both when her new lover is going to die AND that she will fall out of love with her before then' and nobody has ever complained.

I would guess that part of it is luck in the choice of fandoms.

But it does exist, I promise you!

I am severely interested in these, especially the last one!

The psychic: (Good Omens) Time Considered As A Semi-Precious Stone Sunk In Dark Water - https://archiveofourown.org/works/21341341

The betrayal: (Original Work) J'attendrai - https://archiveofourown.org/works/12244344

The assassins one is a bit more tricky because it's part of a longer series and includes some references to that, but: (The Musketeers) Honeyed Brancy - https://archiveofourown.org/works/10928715

Thank you very much! <3

I know what I'll be reading tonight!

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(Anonymous) - 2021-03-17 04:22 (UTC) - Expand

I haven't read any, and frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if people did write some dark!fic or their relationship would be portrayed in this way but:

Morgana/Morgane from Merlín (CW/TW it is incest -- I honestly didn't know they were sisters when Morgane was first introduced so i was here for it lol I think McGrath just has chemistry with anyone!).

I could also see that relationship for Morgana/Guinevere.

Might I also suggest Kahlan/Cara (although as the show progresses, Cara definitely grows a lot as a person) from Legend of the Seeker?

Where in the secret does OP say they want all their f/f to be pure soft lesbians? Where does it say ANYTHING AT ALL about pure soft lesbians?

You're assuming OP doesn't want to think of them as LBGT because they're villains. OP hasn't actually specified why they don't want certain characters associated with their sexuality. Maybe it's just their personal preference, and nothing to do with whether or not a character is evil or pure.

+1

The characters I was thinking of aren't even villains, just ones I find unbearably irritating and get pettily annoyed at people HC'ing them with my sexuality because I dislike them. But sure 'messy LGBT stories r bad' is the logical leap.

Still gtaekeeping.

Learn what gatekeeping means.

I'm not telling anyone what to do, I'm just thinkin' my own thoughts in my own head. Or is that a thought-crime now? Had the f!s (not)anti brigade decided that my own personal opinion is oppression? How terrible of me.

DA but thanks for this, I'm tired of people throwing around the word "gatekeeping". I don't think you know what it means, anon.

"Sneer", "associate"... these words are the not the language of of non-judgment. You're just pulling back behind the "It's subjective!" excuse now because people are side-eying your secret so much.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) - 2021-03-17 14:33 (UTC) - Expand

OP

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nayrt

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Re: OP

(Anonymous) - 2021-03-17 17:57 (UTC) - Expand

It's not gatekeeping to have preferences, you moron.

agreed

AYRT

It was a simplification, admittedly. But I didn't necessarily mean to imply "villains" in that, I more meant like... people who you (using the royal "you" here) find personally repugnant, I guess? Are just as likely to be LGBT as anyone else. It's gatekeeping a nonexistent gate. How you personally feel about a person/character has literally no bearing on their sexuality, or yours for that matter. Like, imagine a straight person not wanting a character to also be straight because they didn't like them. That doesn't make any sense.

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NAYRT but: Not really IMO. Considering there aren't many canon LGBT characters (in pop media at least) compared to het characters, naturally one would want to relate at least a little bit or feel at least a little bit that they are relatable, not the other way around. But I guess these kinds of reasons justify why OP says it is a secret anyway. Sometimes, there isn't a moral judgement to things. Sometimes it's just: I don't like it, period.

Just try it with anything else. "I don't like that character, why does she have to be Asian like me?"

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(Anonymous) - 2021-03-17 17:58 (UTC) - Expand

Considering there aren't many canon LGBT characters (in pop media at least) compared to het characters, naturally one would want to relate at least a little bit or feel at least a little bit that they are relatable, not the other way around.

Except that OP's secret specifically references fans' headcanons as the source of their irritation. LGBT canon characters are relatively rare, but LGBT interpretations of characters in fanfic and fanart absolutely aren't. (In fandom as a whole, anyway; there are obviously particular fandoms that are very cis het heavy.)

I'm struggling to think of a situation that would make sense.

and everything apparently has to be about OP one way or another

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