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[ SECRET POST #5213 ]

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I’m a staunch pro-shipper, but the pro-ship argument of “How can antis be against X/Y/Z but be fine with horror movies and crime procedurals? What hypocrites!” makes me roll my eyes. Ask literally any anti how they feel about people fapping to horror movies and I guarantee the anti will say it’s fucking sick that someone would be turned on by that content. Most antis don’t have an issue with dark content. They have an issue with people kinking on or romanticizing dark content.

When L&O starts putting out episodes where the detectives erotically rape the perps, I guarantee the antis will be howling for the show’s cancellation.

In short: Antis suck, but "I notice you're fine with murder in your entertainment!" isn't the 'gotcha' a lot of pro-shippers seem to think it is.

Nah. If they're going to bleat about how liking the bad ships turns people into actual real life abusers and rapists, they need to explain how liking violence doesn't turn them into actual real life mass murderers. Because they absolutely do not just bleat at people who kink on dark content (which would still be deeply stupid), they crawl all the way up the ass of people who write standard enemies-to-lovers ships, or two adults over the age of 25 with a five year age gap.

This. It's not about being turned on by gore. It's the double standard of "sexual stuff affects reality but violent stuff somehow doesn't". Of course they would be as appalled at someone being into guro or having the hots for fictional murderers. Because that's sexual and sex is bad in their puritanical minds. While most of them (saying most because there actually are a few that do this) don't at the same time believe consuming crime or violent media makes you a murderer irl.

This exactly.

What is the difference between sex and violence in their minds that makes sexual content such a supernaturally-powerful mindwarp relative to violence? Yes of course violent movies and video games don't cause people to mindlessly act out what they see. Sexual content is no different. It's no more likely to make people mindlessly act out what they see than a first-person shooter game.

It's superstitious, puritanical fear of sexuality as a force with special mind-control powers that no other form of entertainment does. And it's ridiculous on the surface and obviously transparently silly, but it becomes dangerous because people take it so seriously.

"Most antis don’t have an issue with dark content. They have an issue with people kinking on or romanticizing dark content."

But that's exactly what proshippers say is hypocritical. Anything is fine, as long as it isn't made into a kink. Kink is what makes people lose their morality and start copying fiction, that's the anti position. Antis also insist the difference is that violence isn't portrayed positively unlike kink, which is patently hilariously untrue, and it takes a lot of hypocrisy not to realize how "heroic" characters are portrayed as unambiguously good while committing violence in mainstream media.

+1

I don't think enjoying killing fictional people in a nonsexual way is any morally better (or worse) than enjoying it in a sexual way. You're still enjoying the idea of killing fictional people and glorifying it! The idea that it's only sexual enjoyment, or kink, that makes it irredeemable is so transparently stupid on the surface that only in a deeply puritanical culture would it get any traction at all.

Assuming antis actually have a consistent ethos that isn't just a rationalization, maybe they could put it into practice by not running blogs dedicated to abuse and harassment.

It's pretty much all rationalization, based on my years of observation.

SA: There's a very real thing of abusive people coopting ideals of justice and fairness. Republicans are doing it on anti-trans bills and voter suppression. 4chan actively uses it for trolling ops. So I'm really suspicious when people argue that the "greater good" involves chasing people with a few dozen followers off social media.

There's also the addictive high of moral self-righteousness. Antis get a rush from chasing one "bad" person off whatever platform, and it feels so good they turn into lab rats looking for that next "bad"-person-button to push to get that sweet sweet brain-chemical hit.

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