[ SECRET POST #5238 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5238 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

How exactly is he an asshole? There are several MCU characters I'd call assholes. Tony, Starlord, Ant-Man at times, Loki. But Steve? Even when he's wrong, he's doing it for the right reasons, trying to help people. I just can't see asshole.

[(Anonymous)]

"But his heart's in the right place" doesn't hold up when what he's doing is cowboying into sovereign nations to chase people down on what amounts to a personal vendetta, not bothering to liase with any local authorities or emergency services in order to minimize risk to civilians, endangering countless lives and causing a number of actual civilian deaths because he absolutely had to do things his way, didn't have his head in the game because it was a personal vendetta, and generally fucked up royally.

Then, when faced with unprecedented global agreement that the Avengers maybe shouldn't be allowed to roar in and do whatever they want regardless of the risk, his response was "you're not the boss of me!" Not attempting to negotiate different terms or different oversight, just absolute refusal to accept that maybe, just maybe, he didn't know better than pretty much every governing body on the planet.

He embodies exactly the kind of attitude found in gun-toting Blue Lives Matter fuckbags.

[(Anonymous)]

I... feel like maybe you've missed a few details along the way.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I agree with what you've said here, but the movie set things up in a dumb way and the Accords were poorly written and under the supervision of the US military (in the person of General Ross, who had already conducted some really bad decisions related to the Hulk). Do I think Accords of some kind (including mandatory training for Avengers and non-US oversight) would be a great idea? HELL YES. Do I think that's what was in the Sokovia Accords? No.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000

Also, something that the movie made quite obvious, but that a surprising number of viewers seem to have missed, is that Tony's support for the Accords is basically, "We should operate under oversight, and if sometime in the future we don't like what they're telling us, we can just renege on our agreement." Whereas Cap's position is, "I don't trust the oversight mechanism, so I'm not going to enter into an agreement that I'll then have to abide by."

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah it's pretty wild to see Cap's fandom be so bizarrely invested in his moral rightness. Like... maybe in the first movie? MAAAYBE in the first Avengers? But he's literally everything that's wrong with US imperialism AND in Civil War he was basically a libertarian icon. I don't think ANY mcu heroes are "moral" because the morality of those movies in general is at grade school level at best and completely bankrupt at worst but Cap is not some kind of pure symbol that shouldn't be tarnished. He belongs to the assholes just as much as he belongs to the fandom folks who choose to see the fanfic version of him written by fans, not canon.

[(Anonymous)]

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He brought two super powered criminals, Maximoff siblings, into the base and let them do as they want, namely fight his Avengers teammates.

He also lied to get into the Army. He was unfit to be a soldier, too sick to do his country any good on the frontlines.

Refusing to do anything during Sokovia's fall...

He rejected Accords and then got a wan full of amo in the airport in another country. He does what he feels is right without any consideration to the law and ordinary people.

I don't think that he betrayed Tony by not telling him about his parents because they were never friends in MCU. Steve had his secrets and used SHIELD's resources for his personal goals.