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⌈ Secret Post #5240 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Why shouldn't they be surprised if the norm in fan communities is that you shouldn't expect negative feedback?

[(Anonymous)]

Posting something to the internet - anything at all - and firmly not expecting any negative feedback on it whatsoever sure is naive in general

I'm not even someone that goes and makes negative comments, but being surprised at getting them is another thing

[ibbity]

Nayrt but this new thing of being shocked and outraged whenever someone gives anything less than gushing praise as feedback is just weird to me. I've been in online fandom since about 2002 and we didn't LIKE getting flames or whatever back then but we kinda...knew how to roll with the punches more? I guess? It was expected that you'd get some critique. That was part of interacting with fandom. I don't want to be the "kids these days" person but I feel like there is a kind of "preciousness" encouraged in a lot of circles.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's been the norm for a long time, whether you agree with it or not. The same thing how MSTing was considered totally fine and groovy for a long time and then became unacceptable.

[(Anonymous)]

This has been the norm since LiveJournal, back when authors would lock their writing blogs up and make them friends only so they could control not only how but who could interact with their stories.

[(Anonymous)]

Nayrt but I was never in fandom LJ during its heyday, my experience is mostly with ff.net and webrings/fansites etc and I gotta be honest there was a LOT of criticizing and flaming on ff.net for sure and yeah people got mad and created drama but I don't remember seeing anyone act like the simple fact of being critical of lazy writing in general was horrific or abusive like I have seen it called on tumblr. But then it was the era of teh penguin of doom so we were all writing weird back then.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't know what fandoms you wwere in but, in the 90s in my fandoms, if you insulted someone's fic in their guestbook, they IP banned you. If you got enough IP bans, you were pretty much locked out of fandom because you were banned from having a voice and interacting with content creators. And you sure as fuck didn't forget your manners on a moderated mailing list where the goal was to help authors.

FF.net's the reason concrit culture even exists. It was the notion that people who didn't pay for something should treat it as a consumer good that they should criticize to warn other freeloaders not to not buy something because nobody liked using the back button. It started with FF.net in 98 and its Reviews section and bled out onto message boards and sparking communities and so-called fanfiction 'review' sites.

[(Anonymous)]

It's funny that you say it's kids, because in one my fandoms it's all the adults my own age(40's) who can't handle anything less than glowing praise about the content they make, no matter how error-riddled it is.

Fandom has taken the concept of 'if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all' to an absurd degree where someone just pointing out a spelling or grammatical mistake is seen as malicious, directed harassment. And it's fucking insane.

[(Anonymous)]

What fandom? Mine is Les Mis and from what I can tell it's almost all teens/very early 20s folks copping this attitude whereas the older fans...well, they tend to actually put forth effort, so most of their stuff genuinely is pretty good

[(Anonymous)]

I've been in fandom since the 90s and I agree with this. Back then, there was always the understanding that if you posted something publicly, people were allowed to give their opinions on it, and those opinions weren't always going to be positive.

Interestingly enough, I feel like the average fic back then tended to be higher-quality in general just because people WERE more cognizant of the likelihood of getting criticism if you posted something with poor spelling/grammar/structure/etc.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know if that's as big of a factor as you think--there were also, even in the 90s with online fic, a lot more barriers to being part of fandom. It was harder to find fandom, even harder than that to find fic-writing fandom, and that meant that more of the people who found it were people who were already very much readers and writers.