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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2021-05-26 05:49 pm

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[personal profile] philstar22 2021-05-26 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Just no. I'm sorry, but animals who are domesticated as pets should not be eaten as food. In countries where they aren't pets, fine. But pets shouldn't be food.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-26 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
There are absolutely people who domesticate any common Western food animal you care to mention as pets.
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[personal profile] philstar22 2021-05-26 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, and in that case I think it is wrong to make them into food. I think it is wrong for the same animal to be both a pet and food. Not the same species, but the same animal. I have a problem with people making a chicken a pet and then eating that same chicken too.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-26 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I see your point but I'm a little confused because I don't think OP really talked about consuming specifically pet cats.
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[personal profile] philstar22 2021-05-26 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess. Depends on which country, though. In the US, all cats are domesticated and intended as pets. Not in all other countries, though. OP could go to one of those countries.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-26 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Huh? Stray cats are not intended as pets or domesticated.
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[personal profile] philstar22 2021-05-26 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, they were originally. They happen because stupid, evil people leave their cats when they move or someone lets their cat outdoors and it runs away and then they have kittens because people don't fix their cats. They started as pets.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-26 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Started as pets. But three generations from that, they are not.

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[personal profile] hey_hey_hey 2021-05-26 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Not all stray cats are feral.
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[personal profile] philstar22 2021-05-27 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
You know what, you guys are right. I was thinking with my heart, being a cat person and having a cat and currently being in the middle of a move that is super stressful for her and being all focused on her and worried about her. I wasn't thinking things through with my head. I was reacting viscerally and then coming up with the explanation.

I've always been fine with people in other countries eating dogs. I've never considered it being done in the US, and I don't want to think about it. But I don't really have a moral objection, just a personal reaction. Sorry.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-27 08:42 am (UTC)(link)
It's honestly totally understandable to me. I don't have any objections to people other than myself eating meat. But I don't like to think about it either, if I can avoid it. I guess that's part of being vegan. But in the end it's fine that others eat meat if they want, that's all there is to it.

But I reacted way more emotionally to reading about people eating cats and dogs, even though I know it's normal in some countries. So I get your reaction completely. It's tough to detach yourself emotionally sometimes.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-27 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
What? That's not true and it's so obviously not true it's absurd. There are tons of cats that aren't domestic pets.
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[personal profile] philstar22 2021-05-27 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
You know what, you guys are right. I was thinking with my heart, being a cat person and having a cat and currently being in the middle of a move that is super stressful for her and being all focused on her and worried about her. I wasn't thinking things through with my head. I was reacting viscerally and then coming up with the explanation.

I've always been fine with people in other countries eating dogs. I've never considered it being done in the US, and I don't want to think about it. But I don't really have a moral objection, just a personal reaction. Sorry.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-26 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
As someone who grew up in a farm family.....genuinely, why? The history of domestication is a history of eating pets, especially when those pets are prey animals.
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[personal profile] philstar22 2021-05-26 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Because taking on a pet, an animal domesticated by humans, makes us responsible for them. We domesticated them, we made them into pets, then we took them into our homes. We made them what they are. We have a responsibility to care for them and love them and treat them right. Farming is different. Those animals were domesticated for food primarily, not primarily as pets. We still have responsibility for them, but it is different. And still, if someone takes one into their home and raises it entirely as a pet first, then I don't think they should be eaten. But if they raise it outside as a food animal but also befriend it like a pet then that's okay and I think eating it would be okay.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-26 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
That is such an odd limit. What about places (even in the US) where dogs/cats are treated no differently from a cow. They are outside, they do a job, and might get some pats. Are those okay to be eaten? Why not? They were never intended to be a pet. They are always just an animal with a job that are dispensable.
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[personal profile] philstar22 2021-05-26 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
That's probably fine, if they are job animals.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-26 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean...waste not want not.
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[personal profile] philstar22 2021-05-27 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
You know what, you guys are right. I was thinking with my heart, being a cat person and having a cat and currently being in the middle of a move that is super stressful for her and being all focused on her and worried about her. I wasn't thinking things through with my head. I was reacting viscerally and then coming up with the explanation.

I've always been fine with people in other countries eating dogs. I've never considered it being done in the US, and I don't want to think about it. But I don't really have a moral objection, just a personal reaction. Sorry.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-27 12:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I wouldn't eat someone's pet chicken. I would eat a chicken raised on a farm intended to be food. Okay? Okay.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-26 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Why not? What is the difference between a pet or an animal being raised as food but treated as a pet? If I got a kitten and raised it with the intention of eating it, would you call that a pet?
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[personal profile] philstar22 2021-05-26 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
No, if you intended to eat it and raised it that way. But if you raised it the way pets are raised, in your home and treated like a pet, then you shouldn't eat it.
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[personal profile] philstar22 2021-05-27 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
You know what, you guys are right. I was thinking with my heart, being a cat person and having a cat and currently being in the middle of a move that is super stressful for her and being all focused on her and worried about her. I wasn't thinking things through with my head. I was reacting viscerally and then coming up with the explanation.

I've always been fine with people in other countries eating dogs. I've never considered it being done in the US, and I don't want to think about it. But I don't really have a moral objection, just a personal reaction. Sorry.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-27 12:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't like cats. I don't care for cats. I don't understand people who like cats. I don't see why people think they're cute, or that they sound cute. They're boring to look at and their meows are like nails on a chalk board for me. I'm against TNR for ferals because I think they should be trapped and euthanized (or otherwise exterminated) because feral cats are destructive shits whether they breed or not. I'm not a fan of cats. I have had cats, I've loved (individual) cats, but as a species in general, I don't like them.

THAT SAID ...

I don't understand why somebody would want to eat them.

I don't have anything against it -- eat what you want, whatever. I think Jersey Cows are fuckin' adorable, and my only objection to eating beef is based entirely on the flavour, not the bleeding heart aspect ... but ...

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I don't think there'd be much meat on a cat? What's the point? Like a chicken wing with claws. No thanks.
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[personal profile] philstar22 2021-05-27 12:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Yup. I'm sorry, I was reacting with my heart, a visceral reaction. Upon further reflection, I commented later to say that while I never would myself, I don't think it is actually objectively morally wrong.

But I agree that I don't understand why anyone would.