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⌈ Secret Post #763 ⌋

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[Drake and Josh]

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[BSG]

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[Vampire Knight]

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[Demons]

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[Life]

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[Roswell]

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[Ga-Rei -Zero-]

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[Sailor Moon]

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[Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon]

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[Persona 4]

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[Ryan Ross; Panic! at the Disco]

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[Persona 4]

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[Bleach, Yoruichi]

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[Celtic Thunder]

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[Underworld Trilogy]

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[Ursula, the Little Mermaid]

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[Guiding Light]

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[CyberSix]

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[FT Island]

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[Big Fat Quiz of the Year]

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[Torchwood]

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[Runaways, Karolina/Xavin]

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[Simpsons, Rod and Todd]

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[Joe Loves Crappy Movies (webcomic), Twilight]

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[Utena]

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[Doctor Who/RPS/Russell T. Davies/Benjamin Cook]

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[The Munsters]

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[Adventures of Pete and Pete]

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[Jimi Hendrix/Janis Joplin]

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[Taylor Lautner; Twilight Movies]

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[FF13]

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[Nick Swardson]

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(Rachel Maddow, Susan Mikula, Keith Olbermann)

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[Earth: Final Conflict, Da'an]

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[Ouran, Persona 4]

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The character you're writing is the public persona, which can be as "handed to you on a platter" as anything in a book. You have canon and characterisation just the same. I can understand why people think it's exploitative when it's just PWPs or all about the porn (I personally don't like that myself in any fandom, RPF or FPF) but a lot of it really, really isn't.

Just as a matter of my own curiosity, and you don't have to answer it if you don't want to, but what is your opinion on AUs (which are absolutely rife in RPF fandoms ♥)? Both from an RPF and FPF point of view, I mean.

I'm starting to understand that you're writing about the public persona, and I think that's OK, but IMHO good!fic requires accurate characterization, and that simply isn't possible with real people. I just think RPF in general is a bit creepy, because I tend to see it as celebrity worship sublimated into something that can be taken less seriously.

AUs are fine! I might raise an eyebrow if it's RPF, but at least I know the characters aren't real, they just have a real person's name and image. (TBH, I'm not a huge fan of AUs -- I've found most of the AUs I've read to be poorly written.)

See, I really struggle with the idea of saying that good!fic requires accurate characterisation and that you can only get that from a fictional text. In a lot of texts you don't see all of the person's life anyway, you see how they react in certain circumstances and under certain pressures, which is exactly what you can get with real people. In fact, in a lot of texts, you see about as much as you do and in some cases even less than what you see of real people in interviews, documentaries, news articles, etc. That and half the fic people write is about minor characters where it's almost impossible to argue in favour of sufficient characterisation realised through the text.

I don't see why good characterisation can't be possible with real people. Good characterisation is characterisation that people find believable of that person, and that's true whether it's FPF or RPF.

Following the AU line of thought: then all fic starring real people is AU because all it's using is a real personal name and image, and the characterisations available to the public. It's not an accurate representation of anything that's happened in the person's life, even if it's based of documented instances. It's just a different kind of AU to the one where the character is, say, a werewolf.

(Sorry, I get a bit tl;dr when I get meta.)

You're right, good characterization is anything the reader feels is believable. The only problem I have with this sentiment is that I find it a bit too subjective. What one reader will find plausible another will find OOC. I'd like to think that for any character one writes, there are certain aspects that must be taken into consideration, and that if a character goes OOC, it's for reason X or Y or Z that's consistent with his/her characterization.

I agree that in texts you don't see everything about a person's life, but I also like to think there's a lot more implied than everything the reader takes at face value, and one can use those little hints as a way of looking deeper into a character.

You're AU argument totally makes sense. :-) Which makes me think my dislike of RPF is more personal preference than anything else -- I'm the kind of guy that likes my fics as close to canon as possible.

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