[ SECRET POST #5322 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5322 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Right, because women are always going into heat. And don't even get me started on straight men and their dog dicks.

[(Anonymous)]

Same exact excuses I always hear.

[(Anonymous)]

It's fine if you're into it (YKINMK) but you're being deliberately obtuse if you're arguing ABO isn't heteronormative when the entire point is being Assigned Top/Bottom At Birth, mostly-forced breeding plotlines and the Genetically Bottom character's maternity, and all the heavily gendered traits being assigned to each character accordingly.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, same anon as above - Don't forget the self-lubing assholes and monthly hormonal surges. People hide behind the over the top unrealistic aspects so they don't have to actually acknowledge the things those are serving as metaphors for, not to mention the hugely questionable relationship dynamics. It's like saying you can't critique the inherent sexual elements of vampire fic because people in real life don't turn into bats or grow fangs.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

To you and the anon you're replying to: thanks for your sound reasoning and astute observations. I dislike ABO for the reasons aggressively heteronormativity of the construct for exactly these reasons (though like the above anon says YKINMK etc) but people are so incredibly defensive of any attack on the genre as though a critique of the genre is a personal attack on them.

[(Anonymous)]

IATWC. Apparently you are a hater/anti if you even suggest it, or even if it's just not your cup of tea.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

The things you list can't be the entire point of A/B/O, because I've read plenty of A/B/O fic in which designations don't reveal themselves until puberty, or in which omega males can't get pregnant, or in which the main ship is A/A or B/O or etc., or in which the omega actually quite enjoys topping and the alpha enjoys bottoming, or in which society stereotypes alphas and omegas according to their designations but the characters themselves don't match perfectly (or at all) to those stereotypes.

[(Anonymous)]

Those are just subversions of ABO by people who want to explore uncommon scenarios in the world, or feel stifled by the rules and want to write something rebellious.

As such, none of the examples you listed disprove AYRT's points. Because subversions are straying from the point of ABO, not proving it's inherent diversity of concept.

[(Anonymous)]

At the very least, I strongly disagree that designations presenting in puberty or omega males not getting pregnant are "subversions". They're just slightly different flavors of A/B/O, just like some A/B/O includes ruts as well as heats, while other A/B/O only includes heats.

[(Anonymous)]

Right? Like no one would dream of suggesting a fic involving a cis het couple doesn’t count because the woman does or does not get pregnant... An A/B/O fic that doesn’t have all the standard tropes isn’t somehow proof that the genre as a whole is problematic, just like actual subversions of the genre doesn’t negate all the “traditional” stories out there perpetuating stereotypical portrayals.

[(Anonymous)]

I was referring to all the points in a generalized way while only referring to some of them, when you're correct that those two aren't really subversive examples. My bad.